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Home » Sailnet Boat Reviews » M - Boats starting with 'M' » Mayflower Stadel Ketch

 
Mayflower Stadel Ketch 48
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Description: Mayflower Stadel Ketch 48
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Review Date: Wed January 7, 1998 Would you recommend the product? Yes | Price you paid?: None indicated | Rating: 0 

 
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This ketch design was built at the Mayflower Boatyards in Taiwan from 1980-1982. The hull mold has been used for at least six other 48' boats (with different names) made since then. The specific interior of this first of the series was by George Stadel, a noted marine architect from Stamford, CT.

The history of this boat has a good story connected to it. Up until 1980, Taiwan boats were preceived as having shoddy workmanship, and made with questionable materials (unlike the respected Hong Kong boatyards). George Stadel II (son) was wounded during the Vietnam war after stepping on a land-mine. He lost both legs. He recuperated in Taiwan, and ultimately married a Taiwanese woman and settled in Taiwan. In 1978 he visited his father, and they decided to join to make a new class of sailboat, using his father's naval design while the son would oversee the construction in the British owned Mayflower Boatyard in Taiwan. Hence the name "Mayflower/Stadel 48". (All of the above is oral history, of unknown validity.)

From 1980-1982, many of these 48' ketches were manufactured, ending with hull #26 (it is unclear whether the first hull was #1 or #10). They were sold only by two dealers in Norwalk, CT and in Fort Lauderdale. The first one was displayed at the Annapolis Boatshow in 1980, and a total of 11 orders were immediately taken.

The hulls were completed in Taiwan, with all the marvelous teak interiors, and then shipped to the US for the installation of engines, electrical, plumbing, masts, etc.

At least the first three boats of the series had a serious problem with support of the mainmast. This was corrected by adding a second spreader, with increased shroud wire-size. Since that time, this has not been a problem.

The boats were fitted with either Ford or Perkins diesels, about 85HP. They had a 21" three blade prop which drove the boat to 8 knots at 2200 rpm. The fuel consumption was a remarkable 7 mpg (.14 gpm).

All electronics were custom installed to the owner's request, and they varied from bare-boats to fully founded.

At this time (1980) sail furling was just being developed, and most of the boats were fitted with the early Cruising Design furling on all three sails. This was a crude design, without ball-bearings to remove friction and with some crucial parts made of plastic. About half of the owners removed these after some use, while the others modified them to remove the defective parts.

The boats typically carry 1200 ft2 of sail, and easily make hull speed (9+ knots) on a 12 knot reach. They can be sailed by two people with the original furling rigs.

One main difference between this sailboat and modern ones is the designer assumed there would be a navigator aboard, and all the navigation equipment was installed at a spacious workstation below. Most owners started moving their instruments to the cockpit after a few years, and some have converted the cockpit to a pilot-house setup to shield radars, etc. The cockpit design makes such a major change somewhat easy.

I have owned my M/S ketch for almost 10 years, and love it.

Jim Ziegler

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Review Date: Fri September 29, 2006 Would you recommend the product? Yes | Price you paid?: None indicated | Rating: 8 

 
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The review by Jim Ziegler, obviously many years old, has somne errors in it discussing the Stadel 48. I spent 1980/81 in Taipei building a Stedel 48 which I shipped home to Florida in 1981 and cruised in Florida for several years.

I think my hull was about number 13. I am not sure about that but I am sure that a number had been build and delivered before 1980. George Lin was the yard manager and the owner of the Mayflower firm was a Mr. Chen, George's father in law. He also owned a steel yard in Taiwan. His second language was Japanese, having grown up in Taiwan when it was under control of Japan. I spoke a few words of Japanese and he and George visited me in Daytona Beach in 1982. I still have some pictures of them.

The basic Stadel '48 drew 6' 6". Since I wanted to use mine in the Bahamas that was a bit much. At my request we agreed to replace about half of the iron in the balast with lead and plug the mold at 6'. George Stadel and I worked this out and it worked perfectly. There is no way that the additional draft could have improved its performance.

I never heard anything about the need for an additional mast spreader. My rigging was Isomat and I never had a bit of trouble. I installed a roller reefing on the jib and had slab reefing on the main. My wife and I sailed it throughout the north Carribbean without any trouble. I seldom bothered to reef the main as it handled perfectly under jib and mizzen, with very little reduction in performance in any sort of decent wind.

The construction was, as Ziegler says, beautiful. The teak deck was interesting, being a part of the structure. It was bonded to the hull and bound from below so there were no screws or plugs on top to sork loose.

I brought a compressor and fittings from the states an installed a belt driven freezer, hold over system. It was the first of these systems installed there and I think I talked Crosby to start doing it professionally.

A beautifl, well built and great cruising boat that I wish I could sail today. I envy anybody who has one.
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Review Date: Fri September 29, 2006 Would you recommend the product? Yes | Price you paid?: None indicated | Rating: 8 

 
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The review by Jim Ziegler, obviously many years old, has somne errors in it discussing the Stadel 48. I spent 1980/81 in Taipei building a Stedel 48 which I shipped home to Florida in 1981 and cruised in Florida for several years.

I think my hull was about number 13. I am not sure about that but I am sure that a number had been build and delivered before 1980. George Lin was the yard manager and the owner of the Mayflower firm was a Mr. Chen, George's father in law. He also owned a steel yard in Taiwan. His second language was Japanese, having grown up in Taiwan when it was under control of Japan. I spoke a few words of Japanese and he and George visited me in Daytona Beach in 1982. I still have some pictures of them.

The basic Stadel '48 drew 6' 6". Since I wanted to use mine in the Bahamas that was a bit much. At my request we agreed to replace about half of the iron in the balast with lead and plug the mold at 6'. George Stadel and I worked this out and it worked perfectly. There is no way that the additional draft could have improved its performance.

I never heard anything about the need for an additional mast spreader. My rigging was Isomat and I never had a bit of trouble. I installed a roller reefing on the jib and had slab reefing on the main. My wife and I sailed it throughout the north Carribbean without any trouble. I seldom bothered to reef the main as it handled perfectly under jib and mizzen, with very little reduction in performance in any sort of decent wind.

The construction was, as Ziegler says, beautiful. The teak deck was interesting, being a part of the structure. It was bonded to the hull and bound from below so there were no screws or plugs on top to sork loose.

I brought a compressor and fittings from the states an installed a belt driven freezer, hold over system. It was the first of these systems installed there and I think I talked Crosby to start doing it professionally.

A beautifl, well built and great cruising boat that I wish I could sail today. I envy anybody who has one.
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Review Date: Sun December 9, 2007 Would you recommend the product? Yes | Price you paid?: None indicated | Rating: 10 

 
Pros: Excellent under sail, very spacious and a great liveaboard.
Cons: None

If your serious about spending a lot of time crusing this is the boat. I bought mine in 1994 and have crusied it extensively in Alaska and British Columbia.
I know of two others in the Pacific Northwest, one in Whittier Alaska and one on its way to Homer Alaska. Mine is current residing in Poulsbo Washington.(Formerly in Seward Alaska) I don't know much about the history of Mayflower, but I know my vessel was crusied throughout the Pacific before I bought it. The wife and I find it very easy to handle.
I was told my hull is No. 32 but I have no idea if that is correct or not. The Whittier owner said his and mine were built at the same time. He knows the boat as he was in the yard during construction.
He said his was hull 31.

Hope all of you that own or are looking to buy enjoy this boat. I regret the day I will need to sell.
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max01
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Registered: March 2008
Review Date: Sat March 22, 2008 Would you recommend the product? Yes | Price you paid?: None indicated | Rating: 9 

 
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Hi there, saw your post on the wonderful Mayflower Ketch.

I have been in love with this boat for the last 5 years, and have waited for one to come on the market up here in the Pacific North West.

I live in Vancouver, BC
My question for you is this;

Do you know of anyone around me up here looking to sell?

Thanks so much

Michael Armstrong
Vancouver BC
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Review Date: Tue July 15, 2008 Would you recommend the product? Yes | Price you paid?: None indicated | Rating: 0 

 
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Michael, If you are still interested in a Mayflower, I may be willing to discuss the sale of my 1984, hull #38. Please email me at sv_missteak@yahoo.com for pictures and to discuss further

Jim
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anthonynadav
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Registered: November 2008
Posts: 1
Review Date: Tue November 25, 2008 Would you recommend the product? Yes | Price you paid?: None indicated | Rating: 10 

 
Pros: the best i have ever saild
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my sir no is ending 18
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richard626514
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Registered: February 2009
Review Date: Sat February 21, 2009 Would you recommend the product? Yes | Price you paid?: None indicated | Rating: 0 

 
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Stadel 48 hull number one was called "Love Story". Skip ("Ramey" not sure of the last name... was a friend of George Stadel in Newport Beach. Skip was the first owner of a Stadel 48.

While Skip was out of town.... two Volvo mechanics doing warrantee work on the engine... stole the boat from it's Newport Beach slip and took it to Mexico. Skip went to Mexico trying to find the mechanics. He was told the boat was skuttled by theives. A local photographer turned up with a picture of the bad guys jumping ship just as the fires burned on deck.

Skip caught the guys in a bar and was arrested by the Police for carrying a weapon. He was thrown in Jail and the bad guys got away. Skip broke out and retuned to Newport Beach were he tried to sue the owner of the Volvo Engine Repair Company. The owner had a heart attack and Skip didn't have the heart to pursue the poor widow in a court case.... Skip used the enlarged pictures to identify and convict the bad guys as they tried to return to the U. S.

This was told to me in Bora Bora in 1987 in our cockpit by Skip. My hull number is Number 10. We purchase the boat in June of 1980 from Barbary Coast Yacht Sales in San Rafael California. They had three Stadel 48's for sale at the time.

Our average hull speed over the years has been over 6.5 knots. We made the trip from Pogo Poga to Honolulu in 19 and half days. Crossing the equater we were able to draft the boat 12 hours a day at 5 knots with a 150 and a full main and mizzen up. This boat can really sail like a dream. She is big, powerful and pleasure to live on. We lived on the boat in the Ala Wai Boat Harbor for 10 years after cruising the South Pacific. She is still there in Slip G 54.

Aloha, We hope the above is helpful.
richard johnson
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ddfleming
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Registered: March 2009
Review Date: Tue March 17, 2009 Would you recommend the product? Yes | Price you paid?: $128,000.00 | Rating: 10 

 
Pros: We love her!
Cons: She's big! It took a while for the two of us to get comfortable handling her. Prop walks starboard quite a bit.

My husband and I purchased ours in June of 2006. According to the Abstract of Title, Mariner owned her from 1979-1984. It appears she was the "model" boat from which custom orders were taken. She's has several names including Mi Reina, Evening Star, Pacific Eagle (5/93) and most recently Santorini in October of 1999. We have no plans to change the name as we plan to take her to the Med - and of course Santorini. She's amazing and a superbly designed vessel. The main mast was restepped in 1999.
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MELBEN1
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Registered: March 2010
Review Date: Mon March 1, 2010 Would you recommend the product? No | Price you paid?: None indicated | Rating: 0 

 
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Hello all together,

I am a new member in forum and found it while serching backgrounds of the Satdel Mayflower 48. In the Moment I am looking for such a yacht and have the possibility to buy on in Italy. My questionslist is long. So I will only ask a few. The boat is from 1981 and is called Mayflower 48.
I love the form of th boat and sche is really no standart.

Do you think it wouldbe a good idear to buy a boat like this?
Is there a lot of renovating potential inside without wood or sailes?
What's about the other things like Osmose? Does anybody habe problem with this?

Please be so kind to give me some more informations about Stadel-Mayflower 48
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MarathonBob
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Registered: November 2011
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Review Date: Wed April 10, 2013 Would you recommend the product? Yes | Price you paid?: None indicated | Rating: 0 

 
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I could have one for sale soon, if anybody interested can E-mail me.
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mattfr
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Registered: September 2013
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Review Date: Mon September 23, 2013 Would you recommend the product? Yes | Price you paid?: None indicated | Rating: 0 

 
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Bob, do you have one for sale?
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