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Re: Bob Perry's take on Wolfenzee's dream boat

I must admit that I have been noodling the idea of an 'improved version' of Wolf's boat ever since I saw his post #142, but especially after seeing Bob Perry's replies. As the third wheel with someone like Wolf who has a strong affinity for his boat, and someone as highly respected as Bob Perry, I do not venture to see myself as steering this bus.

But as I have been thinking about this, it seems like there are three possible approaches which come to mind. I have given each of these approaches their own name; 1. 'caricature boat' (not to be mistaken for a Character Boat, a term which I personnally have never liked), 2. 'A squinter', and 3. 'A sleeper in Wolf's clothing'.

To define these terms as I am using them, I see the 'caricature boat' as having the obvious character setting features of a traditional design visible and in some cases exaggerated so that if you know the precedent design, you will recognize it, and yet it is not a literal interpretation. I would suggest that the best examples of this type would be something like the Alerion Express and Bob's own Valiants.

I would think that the hull and cabin for a 'caricature boat' would probably look like like Wolf's boat at least to the waterline, but the rig and underbody would be modernized. My sense is that would produce a boat that sailed well, might not be a fast as the 'squinter' or have quite as many of the traditional virtues of Wolf's current boat or the 'sleeper in Wolf's clothing'. It would be a nice boat.

The 'squinters' are boats that if you see them at a long distance, and squint enough to bring them into focus, they might appear top be traditional design. But as soon as you can see one clearly, they are clearly not traditional designs from any angle. In my mind, a successful example of that are the Schooner Woodwinds which sail out of Annapolis. They are perfectly suited to the job in life and not bad looking boats. They sail way better than first glance might suggest, but there is nothing really accurately traditional about these boats. I would think this would be the fastest of the three and perhaps the easiest to handle. I am not sure that this is what Wolf had in mind.....But I'll let Wolf and Bob negotiate that one.

The 'sleeper in Wolf's clothing' would take the basic design of Wolf's boat and subtly tweak the hull and rig. I figure under this approach, the basic canoe body would remain essentially the same, but we would add a fin keel and skeg hung rudder. The change might be as subtle as the profile of L. Francis's Ticonderoga or Bounty....Or perhaps more extreme in the mode of Brewer Bites...Or perhaps we go for broke and design a real fin and skeg hung or spade rudder (perhaps as extreme as a Galaxy 32).

This would probably be the closest in behaivor to Wolf's current boat. It would probably have a very similar motion, albeit a little nicer due to better dampening and more stability. It would ahve pretty much the same carrying capacity, although the overall displacement would be reduced. It would be faster especially in light air, and going upwind. It would probably be a better boat all around.

Whatever it turns out, from reading Wolf's concerns about grounding the keel will need a long chord in order to be able to distribute the shock loads of a hard grounding. Looking at the profile of Wolf's boat, the keel has a lot of drag (meant in the traditional sense of the word..meaning that the keel at the stern is much lower than the forefoot rather than meaning resistance). Since that is the case, going to a fin keel would probably move the center of lateral resistance forward and that would impact the design of the rig.

Wolf, I do not recall seeing a sail plan for your boat. If you have one can you post it....

Anyway, those are my thoughts, (for now)

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