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Dufour 36p, Salona 38

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Originally Posted by Chimbatete View Post
Hi Paulo,

Since these boats are not found in NA you made a point of reference to the Dufour 36P (which is a good boat) and say you'll take this over it (whatever reasons).

Now how would you compare this boat to a Salona 37 (or the new 38) for example? As far as quality/perceived performance in general?

I ask this because this is a very attractive boat and I see that its possible to have it sail away for $225k which is less than a new J111 here by quite a bit with a much better interior and cockpit (unless my eyes are mistaken).

Just want to get perspectives.
I have been inside the three boats you mentioned but only sailed the Salona 38.

The J111 as I said it is a faster boat but demands a crew to be sailed fast and it is the less appropriated from the three for solo sailing even it that is possible, but its performance will be much reduced because you will not be able to exploit the boat potential alone. It happens the same regarding the two other boats but in a lesser manner. The Dufour and Salona are less nervous boats and boats more easy to sail.

Regarding cruising the Salona 38 and the Dufour 36 performance have nice interiors but in what regards cruising the storage space of the Salona has no comparison: It is much bigger. Not only the boat is bigger has it has cabinets on the Saloon and a proper storage space on the cockpit, one really good for a 38ft boat, even a pure cruising one. Regarding the J 111, it is much of a race boat with an interior to match. It only can be used for cruising in a very spartan way.

Regarding sailing the Salona is a very good boat, specially upwind and on the up scale versions a boat that has proven competitive at the World ORCI championships, fighting for the first places.

I am quite sure that the Dufour 36p is also a great sailing boat, all tests that I read indicates that. It seems that it is a specially easy boat to sail with a great downwind stability and also good upwind. As you know the boat won this year European boat of the year contest on the performance category so I am sure it is a great sailing boat. It is impossible so many experienced testers to be wrong



Regarding racing it is a bit to soon to know how the boat is going to perform in handicap racing. Personally I find it a bit on the heavy side but I can be wrong. It may well be a winner. It depends on how well the boat will be able to sail to his rating.

Regarding comparative real speeds between the Dufour 36 and the 38 I have to base the information on the 37, even if the 38 comes with more modern and fast keels and ruder (but shares the same hull):

It seems that a top Dufour 36p with a carbon mast and a 2.20m Keel is faster than a basic Salona 37 with an aluminum mast and a 1.98 keel (the old one, not the one with a torpedo):

http://www.ffv.fr/ffv/web/pratique/h...aspx?num=16013

http://www.ffv.fr/ffv/web/pratique/h....aspx?num=7258

But slower than a pretty much standard Salona 37 with a 2.25m draft.

http://www.ffv.fr/ffv/web/pratique/h...aspx?num=14821

I know that Salona (Red Zeppelin) it is a charter boat so you can imagine that it is not a up scale boat. It has just the performance pack.

You can see that up scale Salonas 37 (IBC?) even without carbon mast are way faster ( 2.35m of draft):

http://www.fgvela.com/certificadosor...440_090312.PDF

http://www.avomeripurjehtijat.fi/mit...011/L11399.pdf

I have tried to find out the ORC file of Lenco, that had made 3thd on the World ORCI championships but I could not find it. That one was a IBC version with carbon mast and its rating should be higher than any of those.

Regards

Paulo
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Last edited by PCP; 04-20-2013 at 07:31 AM.
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