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Re: Another America’s Cup entry destroyed

First let me say I understand thoroughly OSHA and TRC rates

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It would be pretty straightforward to calculate a TRC and fatality rate for a common class of monohull racing, and then do the same for the AC72s so far, and compare the rates. Then you get a much better picture of how safe/unsafe the AC72s are relative to other boats
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Comparing AC72 with a small survey, which will skew, the rate to a well established base like mono hull racing. That statement is unrealistic at the present time. That is not the only statistic IMHO that is relevant here. This one seems somewhat cruel, because I value every individual life, but here goes.

I don't really care what the extrapolated TRC rate is for Americas Cup racers is because the TOTAL number of deaths will never be very high. Why...because there are very few participants and likely there will always remain like that. You want to take on a real cause....and make a real difference where it counts, take on something which will make a real difference than these extreme sport cutting edge test pilots...take on ParachIt would be pretty straightforward to calculate a TRC and fatality rate for a common class of monohull racing, and then do the same for the AC72s so far, and compare the rates. Then you get a much better picture of how safe/unsafe the AC72s are relative to other boats.
uters or better yet take on bike riders safety

I think is amusing that you want to apply OSHA rules and regs and TRC rates to this. Its applying a metric in one area which doesn't make sense in another. Oh you can relate it somehow as it will determine risk assessment rate, but who cares. We already have established this extreme racing is beyond the normal means of workplace safety inherently and nothing....nothing short of not doing it will change that. Lets do it with marathoners, mountain climbers, bike racers, parachuters, base jumping, skateboarding, driving a car, small aircraft flying, power boat racing etc.

Understand and do go misquoting or extrapolating I don't care about safety. I do. Make it as safe as possible without destroying the purpose of it. I believe in personal choice. If I wish to go fast and it wont harm anyone else but me....don't tell me I cant do it. I am an adult. I know the risks. I am responsible for my choices. I don't need you to protect me from myself. These guys have a choice. If someone with two kids and a wife chooses to do this I am sure they talked and thought about the consequences thoroughly. It is tragic as any life lost is tragic.


QUOTE=TakeFive;1031006]I am surprised that you are willing to make a statement like that without a shred of statistical support.

The first thing you do in assessing risk and safety is to normalize the number of accidents and injuries on exposure hours. OSHA specifies a total recordable case rate, which is the number of injuries per 200,000 man hours. It is a very good metric, because 2000 hours is a typical number of hours worked by a full time employee in a year. So the TRC rate gives, on average, how many injuries would be suffered in a year by a workforce of 100. It's a very nice way to put it. In addition to TRC for injuries, you can do the same calculation for near misses, first aid cases, and fatalities, and stack them to develop a safety pyramid with near misses on the bottom and fatalities on the top. Typical benchmark pyramids exist that can predict how many fatalaties you might have in the future based on your history of less severe injuries. Unfortunately, AC72 has already started to fill in the top of the pyramid.

It would be pretty straightforward to calculate a TRC and fatality rate for a common class of monohull racing, and then do the same for the AC72s so far, and compare the rates. Then you get a much better picture of how safe/unsafe the AC72s are relative to other boats.

It would be a lot better than simply saying "only two accidents and an unfortunate dead." I suspect that a calculated TRC would show these boats to be much more dangerous than any predecessors.[/QUOTE]
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