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First 30

Originally Posted by MrPelicano View Post
Paulo - Clearly this is the case, and even so for Beneteau, who enlisted Juan Kouyoumdjian (French/Argentinian, I believe) to design the latest First 30. Don't know if you've commented on that boat, but I don't think Beneteau have had much success with it. Not competitive under IRC (don't know about ORC), but I'm not sure how it has fared (if at all) in offshore competition. It's not that there isn't a market for these types of boats, but perhaps Beneteau customers are more conservative. Perhaps Jeanneau have had more success with the Sunfast 3200?

Yes, I have posted about the First 30 when the boat come to the market, near the beginning of this thread and you are right, not only the 30 is a JK design as the First 35 and 40 are Farr designed, as the previous models. That is a exception, I mean the First, if you look at all other mass market French boats very few (if any) are designed by non French NA.

Regarding the First 30 even if the boat looks great and I love JK as designer that one seems not to be one of his best designs. The rating expected was to be over 1.0 (ORC) but the boat never reached it and was considerably slower to the point of the ones that actually race on top in France have a modified keel with more ballast.

Of course as a cruising boat nothing of this is very important but that is a dual purpose boat and nobody likes to have a boat that does not sail to his rating or is slightly slower than others.

It is not the only one, for instance the Elan 310 that was also received as a great boat by the press never proved as a racer. Note that one thing is racing other cruising. Both boats are nice and fast performance cruisers.

Regarding absolute performances I will post some ORC files that are very informative and close in what regards performance and I am sure that if you look closely at them you will be able to have a good overall picture.

First 30:

JPK 10.10:

JPK 960:

Elan 310:

GD Surpise:




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