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Re: Sailing, safety, & size

Originally Posted by casey1999 View Post
How do you know the experience of the Marine Flower 2 Skipper?

Even the designers of the Sundeer 64 say they now do not feel comfortable handling such a boat and now have designed a similar power boat:

From: - the serious cruising sailor's website
This quote from the Dashew's;

"But we've past the point where we were comfortable handling this much sail by ourselves, and we did not want to take crew. The FPB was the next step for us, and perhaps for others facing the same dilemma.

When we started this new project Linda was all for it. Steve, on the other hand, felt he was being forced in this direction by the march of time. At 62 years and counting, it was no longer prudent for the two of us to cross oceans, dealing with the spinnakers and reachers that are part of our sailing equation."
If you read my post I said that the owner of the Marine Flower 2 was inexperienced, AT LEAST WITH THAT BOAT. The rescue was in 1994, the same year the Sundeer 60 and 64 were first available. Previously all Sundeer and Deerfoot boats were custom designed and built, mostly in aluminum. As far as Marine Flower being "caught" by a hurricane that moved erratically, there are certain ocean passages that are best not attempted during hurricane season - in any boat.

The Dashews are not your average sailors. Don't paint a picture of them moving to power because of their frailty. They were racers and record holders racing catamarans offshore before the Deerfoot/Sundeer time period. They aren't content loafing along. I first met them when they passed through Victoria in 1991 or 1992 as they were coming down from Alaska in their little 67' ketch, the original Sundeer - quite a boat. Their only concession to gadgets was 2 electric winches, and furlers of course. They could easily handle the boat in any conditions they encountered in over 50,000 miles of cruising. Then came Beowolf, their 77' ketch. Is there safety in size? Damn right when you can consistently do 300+ mile days offshore. With today's electronics it is easy to track lows and at these speeds stay out of their way.

Here's a link to the Dashews sailing Beowolf in the southern ocean at 27 knots - as a couple. Notice the stability at speed when Linda is in the galley.

Their style of cruising under sail was definitely performance cruising.

Interesting point that is a bit off topic - their powerboats are less expensive per mile cruised than the sailboats when fuel cost is compared to sail and rigging replacements.

Are large boats safer? Many factors are involved. Better rested and fed on larger boats because of their more stable motion. Faster due to waterline length all else being equal. A large boat doesn't have to be dependent on electrical gadgets. A long, lean boat like a Sundeer is easily driven. Smaller boats can certainly cruise far and wide if well designed and built, but they won't outrun much weather and can't carry the load the larger ones can.

An interesting comparison can be made between the Sundeer 60 and the Outbound 46. The Sundeer 60 is 6" wider than the Outbound, has 19' more waterline, and has only 240 sq feet more sail area. Load has less effect on the Sundeer - 2900 lbs are required to lower the Sundeer 1" compared to the Outbound at 1940 lbs/inch. The Sundeer 60 is about 9,000 lbs heavier. The Sundeer 60 has a hull speed almost 2 knots faster than the Outbound. Not to criticize the Outbound, an awesome boat. The Nor'Sea 27 is a great boat as well, definitely not your average 27'er.

Here are 2 pics of Beowolf sailing the way the Dashews cruised. Not your average sailors at retirement age.
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Last edited by mitiempo; 11-02-2013 at 06:02 PM.
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