Considering the various divergent discussions covered here, I think 'thread' is a misnomer. I was considering other descriptions to use - web, net, tapestry - but those imply an order or regularity not found here, so I think I'll go with 'tangle'.This thread is still going???
Perhaps there should be an ISAF special regulation on beating dead horses
Y'all heard it here first folks. *grin*He obviously hasn't read this thread, or he would have noticed the issue of insurance dictating departure timing being discussed
Yes, it can be pretty stunning, at times...3) Cruisers seeking permission to leave the dock.
One cruiser actually needed confirmation that it was safe to undertake a 15 mile trip in protected waters on a sunny day. Another in a cruising cat needed a day when they could cross from Miami to Bimini motor sailing in near calm seas.
Great points Temp. We saw both of these issues on our recent off-shore run. As I mentioned in my write up on that, we had seas of 8'-12' for the first 10 hours or so on our forward starboard quarter (leftovers from a storm in the Gulf - the wind was only 20 knots or so). The first issue was seasickness. Both my boys got sick in the first hour - and I got sick for the first time ever. I was over it in a couple of hours, but the boys were out for most of the first day. It's definitely an issue to plan for - not discover in the middle of a 2-week run.Looks like this thing is headed toward 500 posts. There's been a lot of discussion about weather routers, vessel readiness, departure timing, etc etc. I tend to consider most of those things givens. One of the more interesting outcomes (to me) of this, worth further investigation is the number of rudders that fell off or were damaged. I wonder what part the use/reliance of Auto-helms in a rough, confused sea played into that.
One thing I am pretty sure of, is that captains and crews must be able to "honestly" assess their physical fitness, endurance and mental toughness to withstand adverse conditions for extended periods of time ( hand steering if necessary). Physical fitness, to me also means that you are not prone to getting seasick and have tested that over time.
Losing 30 to 50 % of your crew to seasickness wears on the remaining crew's reserves pretty quickly.
You said it brother. But hey, what else is there to do? It's the Christmas season, so we have to beat on each other's heads! At least I'm using a tightly rolled ISAF manual...with a roll of quarters in the middle.I think you guys have been beating each other over the head saying this very thing all the time talking past each other.
LOL! Well, in my effort to summarize, I'd say this is my takeaway:For post 503 let me summarise this thread.
You can't fix stupid.
I just hope the WCC has the stones to mandate Magmas on each rail. Someone's gonna get hungry out there.A new rally for the East Coast folks. Future fodder for the SN paparazzi. Hurry up regulators, your time is limited in making a difference.
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ARC DelMarVa: A new rally for East Coast USA
By World Cruising Club - last modified Dec 18, 2013 08:37 PM
World Cruising Club will have a new addition to the World Cruising Club USA portfolio in 2014 thanks to teaming up with SpinSheet Magazine to host ARC DelMarVa.
Published: 2013-12-18 00:00:00
Topics: Rallies
Countries: USA
ARC DelMarVa: A new rally for East Coast USA
This week long cruise discovers the highlights of the Chesapeake Bay and takes sailors around the DelMarVa peninsula, starting and finishing in Annapolis, MD.
Divided into three legs, boats will sail close to 450 nm into Delaware Bay, including an offshore passage. Safe and Social cruising will be at the heart of the event, with briefings, parties and expert support from the World Cruising Club team
Exactly.The C1500 organizers, with their European risk-management-style insistence on strict safety protocols, started their rally a day early, on the weather router's advice, to beat the two fronts bearing down on the Chesapeake. The Salty Dawg people, whose rally was founded in response to the rigid safety requirements of the C1500, take a laissez-faire approach that places the onus for preparation and decision-making on the individual skippers. Rightly so, you may say, and I would usually be the first to agree, as the ultimate responsibility for a boat's safety rest squarely on the shoulders of its captain.
But of all the reasons to join a flock of other boats in an organized blue water rally, surely the notion of safety is one of the strongest. I suspect that the passage that lay ahead of the skippers in the Salty Dawg and the C1500 would be the longest most of them had undertaken, and faced with the unfamiliar, there is certainty of comfort in company, and at least the illusion of safety in numbers.
Wow, is he really SERIOUS with that last bit?Just read a great article in SAIL magazine by Peter Nielsen regarding the SDR and C1500. It's called "Group Think". Here's the takeaway:
Exactly.But of all the reasons to join a flock of other boats in an organized blue water rally, surely the notion of safety is one of the strongest. I suspect that the passage that lay ahead of the skippers in the Salty Dawg and the C1500 would be the longest most of them had undertaken, and faced with the unfamiliar, there is certainty of comfort in company, and at least the illusion of safety in numbers.
In my observation/interaction with offshore rally participants, the primary motivation for plunking down that sort of cash appears to be an effort to assuage the fears of their spouses, and caving into their mistaken belief that there is anything resembling "safety in numbers" during the course of an offshore passage... Simpler to just pay for the Placebo Effect, I suppose, than to acknowledge the simple reality that if you have any real doubts about your ability or confidence to undertake a bluewater passage on your own, well... then you're not ready, PERIOD...
http://www.sailnet.com/forums/956155-post10.html
...Biff already grey and baldingWhite shirts and shorts, Biff and Muffy on the helm...