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Premier 45 Boat test

The Premier 45 was designed by Botin and Carkeek. Marcelino Botin is also the designer of the fastest 40class racer around, at least if we consider the information from the last transat.

The Premier 45 was recently tested by a British rather conservative magazine (sailing today) and I was very curious about what they would find about a boat that represents the opposite of a conservative view in what regards cruising. Here was what they said:

"The Premier 45 has become the flagship of a relatively small but diverse range of yachts built in Dubai by Premier Composite Technologies. The company has grown from a small, specialist outfit, Speedwave, run in the late 1980s to manufacture components for grand prix yachts. Under German brothers Hannes and Max Waimer, they built the first carbon composite spreaders and rudder for Dennis Conner’s Stars & Stripes in 1988.

After a spell in Malaysia when the company was a prolific builder of Farr one designs including the Farr 30 (Mumm 30), Farr 40 and the Farr 52...

Being honest, the Premier 45 is a lot about indulgence. That is where it started out....

Sailing performance

I sailed the boat on the Solent twice during the same day. First time out we had 9 to 13 knots of wind from east-northeast, and a nice little chop. Then in the evening it was more like 7 to 10 knots and warmer.

I was not really quite sure what to expect in terms of performance. Would it be all showroom gloss or all performance, which would require a race crew?

The boat was certainly quick and pretty easy to sail. In its current guise, as tested, it is a boat which will delight the experienced, discerning owner.But it can be detuned slightly more for a more sedate, easier life. So you might spec a mainsail with slightly less aggressive roach if you are sailing more usually in moderate breezes, and with the power controls in place perhaps even an in-boom furling system.

On a beat, the Premier 45 was predictably close-winded, feeling very light and responsive on the helm and tracking positively. We could achieve 7.5 knots at 25° off the apparent wind without too much concentration or trimming required.

Keeping the mainsail leech nicely twisted when the breeze was up allowed us to settle and enjoy the ride. Easing the angles open a little more and we made a speed in the low 8s, rising to about 9 knots with the apparent wind on the beam. The rudder profile will get some further attention as it is perhaps very slightly too aggressive....

Setting the asymmetric gennaker is pretty easy. The retractable carbon bowsprit is controlled by a single outhaul line. We launched the light kite from a sock and were off in seconds towards the upper limit for the sail, making 10 knots and surging to over 11 knots at times with no real hassles and just three on board.

The helm remained light most of the time, very much more akin to a pedigree race boat in its feel. Suffice to say, the all-round sailing performance is sparkling but pleasingly manageable."

Premier 45: Review and test - Sailing Today | Sailing Today

I love the suggestion that the boat should have a furling boom

It seems that even if a bit upset they had to say that the boat was not only about showroom gloss and would not require a race crew. Then they talk about the boat being all about indulgence meaning probably that speed and sail pleasure are all about indulgence and they talk about a"toy" and imply that the boat is hugely expensive. In fact this an all carbon boat with a great cruising interior nad costs less than a Halberg Rassy 43 MkII, but there they would probably say that the quality justifies the price...and the HR is not a toy

So, do you understand why I said conservative magazine? But even so they took some interesting speed registers:

With between 9 and 13k? or with 7 to 10 knots? and light chopping seas the boat made:

with 25şAW - 7.5K "without too much concentration or trimming required"

"Easing the angles open a little more and we made a speed in the low 8s, rising to about 9 knots with the apparent wind on the beam. "

Downwind with the asymmetric spinnaker they went at 10K surfing over 11K.

Yes, easy and fast, fun with a great performance upwind and a nice cruising interior this is my type of boat. I can understand that some would prefer an heavy and slower HR 43MKII but I find it amazing this boat being less expensive.

I hope it will make European boat of the year in the performance class. There, on the jury, with the exception of the British representative they are not a conservative lot.

Originally Posted by PCP View Post
The boat is average in what regards beam ( 4.15m) -for instance a much smaller Hanse 415 has 4.17m - but is hugely stiff, with 41% of B/D, considering a draft of 2.75m and a high profile torpedo keel. The draft is not a problem because the keel lifts in only 20 seconds to a very convenient cruising draft of 1.85m.

It is made with high tech materials and weights only 8000kg and that means that it does not need a big sail area to go very fast, in fact the boat has an upwind sail area similar to my boat (Comet 41) but can carry downwind an huge sail area: 260m2

The Premier 45 was tested recently by Yacht de and I was not surprised with their very flattering just confirms that Wow impression on Dusseldorf. They said:

"Elaborately built like a racer, comfortably equipped as a cruiser: The Premier 45 ideally combines the best of both worlds....she sails gorgeous, fast, agile and problem-free with a performance that is easy to access. This makes it a unique design both outside and inside...

Premier 45: Charakter und Leistungsbereitschaft - Service*|*YACHT.DE

Marcelino Botin one of the designers comments on the boat:

“We are expecting the Premier 45 to be fast. It is quite a light boat with a hull based on the TP52 concept, with a wide, powerful stern section, but with high stability. But it is a cruiser, very fast for her size. In terms of performance she should excel both upwind and downwind. Upwind you have a good deep keel and plenty of sail area, and downwind she will fly. We expect her to be faster than the typical competition by a big amount.

” And for us as designers, it is great to have a high tech composite cruiser built in the very controlled environment that Premier has. It ensures that the boat comes out close to the design weight, and hence to the performance we expect.”
“There are a lot of owners who are looking for this type of boat, a smaller Wally-type yacht with a very minimalist, clean approach.”

Premier 45, the ultimate performance cruiser | JEC Composites

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