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Old 01-12-2014
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Re: Help choosing the project and the designer/naval architect.

PCP: Back a bit….I am not a “top sailor”, perhaps one day in not too distant future, but I am 43 years old “yet”, so, unless **** hits the fan, there is plenty of time to be an “ok” sailor. Hummmm, I am for real but some say this music was written inspired on me:
..... just kidding.
The Atlantic project is fantastic, but I prefer the 51 instead of the 43. On the same line, I like the Stadtship 56 Stadtship 56 Oester / K&M Yachtbuilders , designed by Van de Stadt and built by K&M. However, I don’t know if it has the same stability and seaworthiness. I am also into the pilothouse and hard dodger.
I like your design. So far, my list of requirements have the following items (some are also in your list/design):
A strong, fast, comfortable, functional and easily handled boat perfectly suited for both high latitude and tropical sailing. Ideal size, 45-55 ft. She must have 3 berths, to accommodate 6 (4 guests) people. A protected (center) cockpit and hard dodger fixed in plate structure. Unpainted aluminum hull above the waterline, centerboard (or variable bulb), shallow draft, fractional sloop (or cutter) rigged. A deck saloon with good all-round visibility. Good access to engine room. Well-designed stern with dinghy davits and a platform or scoop with a folding or retractable ladder. A larger-than-standard self-draining gas locker with space for additional tanks Retractable bowsprit, quick and easy access to the chain locker with a vertical drop to avoid the chain getting snagged, and a powerful and reliable windlass. A well-planned reefing system with lines led back to the cockpit, ideally to an electric winch. Well designed spaces for electric storage and generation by solar panels and wind. Bigger diesel (close to 1.500 km range) and water tanks. Lightning protection. Mosquito screen. Well insulated with thermo-acoustic protection. Good sailing capabilities in light and upwind. Dedicated workshop/garage. Light interior and decks (no wooden furniture/finishing), with minimum moving parts. Tempered glass windows. Watertight aluminum doors. Power generator. Diesel heater.
You are mostly welcomed to sail with me. Perhaps I will learn a bit from you.
Let’s postpone the discussion about where to build it.
In respect to the cost of a NA, could you please give me ballpark figures?
The cost of building and equipping it in Brazil will be gigantic. Brazilian tax system is very complex and sucks. You end up being double taxed on many items. Work force, due to inflation, is currently very expensive. Equipment is imported, so you have to pay 100% taxes (at least) and the markup/service charged by vendor/importer.
SVAuspicious: Thanks for the feedback. I would like to have a 45-55 boat, but I am just a little concerned about single hand it. German is already on my other list (a very long one), but not Jim. I will add him now, but according to Google, Jim works for Farr (and Farr is on my list).
Copacabana: Thanks. I like Thierry, but he seems to be very busy and charges a lot more than a foreign builder, and we still have many taxes on the top of it to make him less competitive. But I will definitely talk to him when the time comes. Regarding buying used, not an option at this point, for many reasons. By the way, I grew up in Copacabana, between Xavier and Bolivar.
Outbound: Kanter is on my list, thanks.

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