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Originally Posted by sck5
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Thats why you get reports like this one:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...mest-year.html
which says that the 9 past years were all in the 25 warmest ever recorded.
.... Why do YOU think the past 9 years are all among the warmest ever recorded? Why do YOU think the Greenland ice cap is melting and chunks of the Antarctic ice the size of Rhode Island are breaking off?
For me, the evidence is pretty clear, but even if it isnt for you most of the things we should do if we believe it (burn less oil, etc.) are all things that would be a good idea for other purely capitalistic reasons (as well as national security ones - wouldnt you love not to NEED oil from the middle east if it were possible?) |
Let me take each of those 3 points on.
1. The Nat'l Geographic report was widely discredited and is documented elsewhere on this thread when it was discovered that the NASA scientist in charge had scrogged up the data and made an error in favor of warming. The data has since been adjusted and some temps in the 1920's and 30's are now the warmest of the past century. Furthermore...the temperature recording data itself is totally innacurate as I have demonstrated with pictures and graphs here many times. Finally...the recorded data referred to in Nat.Geo. goes back only to 1895 and there is ample evidence that several periods in the last 1000 years have been warmer than the present with only good effects on human endeavors. 100 years of MAYBE a 1/2 degree warming trend does not constitute climate change.
2. The artic melting has been shown to be the result of sea current change which is not associated with global warming. Also covered earlier in this thread. BTW...ice is PRESENTLY at a 15 year high in the Arctic which means this summer's low is an anomoly rather than climate.
Minus 30 degrees Celsius. That's how cold it's been in large parts of western Greenland where the population has been bundling up in hats and scarves. At the same time, Denmark's Meteorological Institute states that the ice between Canada and southwest Greenland right now has reached its greatest extent in 15 years. That was reported yesterday!!
Arctic ice?? Here's the graph:
OK now take a look at that bottom line...that is deviation from the ice levels of the 1979-2000 period. Not much...and getting less...maybe we're now in a cooling period. (And we have no evidence that 1979-2000 ice levels are "correct" or natural!!!)
3. On foreign oil. YES...we should rid ourselves of dependence on foreign oil for natinal security and balance of payments reasons. The way to do that is to ALLOW the free market to work...drill for oil here and offshore...build lots of nuke plants which are clean...let capitalists figure how to make money from clean coal technology...and YES...by all means, let the market figure out how to make affordable solar and wind power and better batteries for electric cars. YES...make STRICT pollution laws (not CO2 laws!!) and try to get China to do something! Subsidizing stuff that DOESN'T work will not lead to new solutions.