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Jody....Understood....
Bubb...Also want to make clear that I totally agree that my analysis of weather and bilge pumps is pure speculation based on the little I can find about the incident and how experienced sailors would typically go to sea. Going below could have been based on the thought that lying ahull was the best decision given their ages and physical strength. They could well have had manual bilge pumps in operating condition and simply not been able to keep up with the water inflow after the roll. I do think it is safe to say that they had little warning of how bad the weather would turn.... and they were not foolhardy in that regard nor in their timing as this is the week the Caribe 1500 leaves also.
We may never know the true and final story so it is still useful to think about what might have caused the problems to try to avoid similar circumstances ourselves.