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Point 4: I would be willing to bet that every single one of those kids knows a word in english.

Point 5: These "anchor babies" are just as American as you are and have all the same rights. If you don't like education, just say it. I would personally rather fund teachers than killers.

Point 9: More obviously BS than any other point! There is no way that you can quantify a variable like "Suppressed american wages"...

Point 10: This is racist and presumptuous. For instance, there are plenty of white illegal aliens! Perhaps you have a kid? Well then who's to say whether or not he is going to be a criminal when he grows up? Not somebody on a sailing forum, that's for sure!

Point 11: "Terrorist Countries" are you effing kidding me? Define "Terrorist Country", this is bigoted nationalist rhetoric if I have ever heard it!


There are many other points here that I find untenable, but I find that the counter arguments I presented were the stronger ones.

1. Suppression of wages...so, every time we invent a machine or a new hybrid of plant which makes bigger fruit, easier to pick, or automates something - well, SOMEONE is losing out. I remember hearing this in the 1960's - that computers and robots would take our jobs!

You know what? They did, and we are much better off for it.
Take it from me, you can't "suppress" wages down too much lower than the GOP and Big Business has done in the last 30 years.

2. I'll bet the guy who wrote this BS smokes a lot of that illegal dope that comes across. America is the best market in the world for dope......for a reason!

3. HOW DARE THEY send back money to their families? Why, they should work and then give it to me. After all, make no mention of all the things that they actually PAY while they are here:
Rent
Utilities
Taxes (gas, sales, etc.)
In fact, they keep a lot of Americans employed servicing their needs.

So, we should get angry about some hard working dude making $10 an hour for picking twice as fast as we could, and then sending $5 of it home to his poor mom?
BUT, we should cheer when Dick Cheneys company and thousands of other American corporations move their HQ to others countries to AVOID paying taxes?

Hey, every time YOU buy something from China, YOU are suppressing American wages. And, you are sending your money overseas.

The problem is simply this. There are actual problems with our immigration policies - problems which need fixing. But as long as folks keep accepting and repeating all the BS that comes around by email, they are not fixing anything. In fact, they are making things worse by muddying up the problems and the solutions.

Heck, even Bush and McCain tried to help fix things...but the rabid right (educated by their emails) would have none of it. The party of no solutions.

It's not hard to fix these things. Legalize and tax dope and you'll kill two birds with one stone. Create an intelligent guest worker program to help those farmers who cannot survive without immigrant labor. Put some BIG penalties - even jail - for corporations which break the law knowingly....and don't let them use "shell" corporations to try to get away with it. Make them responsible for ALL contract labor they use.

Of course, what we forget to mention is that big business controls a lot of lobbyists in government...and they don't want to pay higher wages. Why should they?

As long as the reward to breaking the law exceeds the reward for following it, we get what we deserve....

Oh, and basically, we should accept the fact that our economy is based upon a LOT of people....both here and all over the world...having their wages suppressed.

And this is why we have the problems we have with illegals and why they aren't going away anytime soon

Ya both need to live in areas where the illegal alien issues are costing tax payers 12 billion a year or someones daughter was raped and murdered by a illegal who had a record of numerous assults, but nothing was done because of anti ICE activist and sanctuary city status.

Hell SF was hiding a illegal from ICE who had a criminal record, that was until the illegal killed a Father & Son because he needed a car