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Wandering Star,

Thanks for the tip. I know about MacGregor, but he's the only one I had known of. I'll dig up the rest. I'm also going to go sign up for the yahoo group shortly. Thank you


Thanks, your insights have been really helpful over the years, even if I never did set off across the great blue beyond. I've been happily crewing for a few people, and sailing a few times a year, just day sailing while I allowed job and life to carry on.

I was down in Newport Beach a short while ago at the CLC west coast demo and tried and fell in love with a few of their boats. Specifically, I love the Night Heron, even though it doesn't have the same high volume design that a Chesapeake would give me, which would be advantageous crossing the channel, but at the end of the day, I want to play in the kayak, and I just feel a lot more connected to the Night Heron due to it's design. I'll be building from a kit since it's my first build, and making a stitch and glue model, which should be achievable over the winter with no problem. It's supposed to be 50 hours if you know what you're doing, 120 if you don't, so I'm budgeting 240 hours, and I thing I'll be fine.

I've talked with a number of people on their forums, who are amazingly helpful, and it's generally agreed that the rig needs more rudder than most kayak systems provide. The Watertribe people in Florida have a rudder which approaches what is necessary. From there, I'd still want to modify the rig to allow for reefing, but that should be (relative to building a wooden boat from scratch ) simple. The leeboard on the CLC rig mounts to the front amma arm, and as such, is a little forward of the ideal position, which becomes a greater issue with the undersized, unbalanced rudders.

I talked to a few people who have hooked up the Klepper sail system to the clc trimaran rig, and been pretty happy with the performance. Klepper USA - Folding Kayaks the joys of an easily driven hull adding the jib seems to help pointing dramatically, but there's not an elegant way to get the sail area reduced in a blow.

I'm not sure if I'm ready for a real sailboat right now. I like the idea that I can store the boat in my garage, and just go out when I feel like it. I was also looking at a Westwight Potter if I decided to go with a sailboat because I can find them used for under $4,000 in good condition, and there's a very active local club, but as it is, I have fallen in love with kayaking, and playing in the surf, and it allows me something I can do on an evening after work in the way a trailer sailor never will, but without the expenses of docking.

Beyond that, I have friends who have built their own boats, and while I want to build a boat at least once, I think a kayak or dingy is probably right-sized for me, and when it's time to upgrade to a "real" boat, I'll most likely buy an existing boat that "just" needs some work, as it's a familiar death (I've been helping my friends work on their boats, and improving my glassing and other similar abilities)

Regarding trimarans, I did get to crew on a farrier designed boat a few times, and despite how much I like the idea of self-righting boats, MAN, what a rocketship. =) They (trimarans) seem like an absolute blast, point much better than I was expecting, and would probably be ideal for the around-the-islands sailing I've been able to do recently, but honestly, it would be a tease. One of the reasons I'm staying away from real boats is the temptation to just start sailing south would be too much for me.

The dream of getting an inexpensive boat like a Triton and just taking off still looms, but now I've got quite a bit in the bank, and the debts I have since accrued are all getting payed off. I've spent more time traveling over land and think I could probably do much better now than I had in the past, but I'm also slower to jump on things, and moving at a much more deliberate pace. In the next few years I'll see where I am.

Thank you both again. I'll see you on the water

-- James
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