[Jeff_H]

Perhaps I can shed some light on the Ingrid discussion by providing a little background. Atkins was a master of taking basic work boat designs and adopting them to be suitable cruising boats. Most workboats are by necessity a balance of maximum burdensomeness for a given length and performance, meaning that by their very nature work boats, with a few notable exceptions, had to carry a lot of cargo, as well as support their crews and make reasonable passage times, with minimal crew and a reasonable degree of safety.

Because commercial working water craft had the need to carry so much weight, they generally made poor choices as pleasure craft where there was no need to carry so much weight. When you look at the work of Colin Archer, his working water craft were literally approaching twice the weight of his pleasure craft of the same length.

To one degree or another Atkin's Ingrid was evolved from Colin Archer's pleasure craft, but was so much more refined that it would be hard to say that they were really adaptations of the Colin Archer rescue boats for which Colin Archer was best known. Atkin's also designed a 32 footer called the Eric that was more closely related to Colin Archers designs. The Eric formed the basis for the Westsail 32.

In any event, the Ingrid design was eventually adapted to fiberglass and sold as a an Alejuela and Pacific Seacraft 38 (not to be mistaken for the later Pacific Seacraft 37) as well as under a variety of other names built by a number of builders world wide.

The original Ingrid was just under 38 feet in length. A number of designers and boat builders produced longer adapations of the design as well, often keeping the name Ingrid attached to the design, even those the quality of these adapations varied very widely from the original.

The design concept was also adapted to Ferrocement by a number of boat builders, both professional and amatuer. I can't speak to the particular version that you are looking at, but there was one very high quality 41 foot production version of the Ingrid built in Maryland in the early 1980's. One of those had been on the hard, in near derilict condition, for decades just up the street from my house and the hull is in near perfect shape. I thought she was a glass boat until I met her owner.

He was the original owner of the company and he contends that the hulls of his Ferrocement versions were lighter and stronger than the glass boats. He described the process of building these boats to me one day and it really was impressive using a powered pump to rapidly place the high strength cement under pressure and using a more complex mold than was typical with most ferrocement processes. I don't recall the details, but for its size the boat seemed very robust and taken at his word, not as heavy as the glass boats.

Now then, when it comes to the boat in the YachtWorld listing, the ad does not say whether the boat was professionally built, whether the LOA includes the bowsprit or is the more typical length on deck and it is hard to say where the numbers come from and whether they are accurate or not.

It is not unusual for displacements to be inaccurately quoted, but then again you never know. At least in the pictures that boat looks moderatly fair but not as nicely modeled as the true Ingrids or the one up the street from my home.

Respectfully,
Jeff