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Interesting Sailboats

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#1 · (Edited)
Sirius 32, Sirius 35

THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out). Recent designs out of production are also admissible.

Modern boat designs and modern one off, if interesting.

Classical boats and traditional boats.

Small cruisers (less than 35ft)

Seezunge 27ft: PG1-PT9

Hanse 325: PG19-PT185;

Presto 30 : 33-326; 33-327; 34-331; 34-333; 55-543; 55-544;

Tess Yachts: 37-366; 38-373;

Tess 28 Magnum: 37-369; 38-371;

Delphia 28: 38-373;

Vancouver 27/28 : 42-412; 72-717;

Cruisers between 35ft and 49ft


Catalina 355 : 31-306;

RM sailboats: PG5-PT41; 5-42

RM1050: PG5-PT46; 5-47; 5-48;

RM 1060: PG8-PT77; 8-78; 8-79; 8-80; 9-81; 30-295; 40-400; 79-786;

RM 1200: PG9-PT84; 9-85; 19-184; 20-191; 20-192; 41-404; 42-414; 42-418; 43-425; 43-426; 69-688;

RM 1350: PG9-PT82; 55-549; 95-943;

Morris Yachts: PG7-PT61

Bavaria 36: PG19-PT188; 19-190; 20-196;

Bavaria 40: PG10-PT95; 28-278; 29-281; 29-282; 29-283; 29-286; 32-316; 36-356; 51-502; 51-507; 52-518; 53-527; 53-532;

Bavaria 40s: 69-685; 78-775;

Bavaria 45: PG10-PT96; 19-190;

Rustler Yachts: PG11-PT104;

Jeanneau 409: PG11-PT103: 11-106; 30-298; 30-299; 36-356; 51-502; 51-504; 51-505; 51-509; 52-513; 52-514; 52-515; 52-516; 53-527; 54-532; 57-564; 57-570; 58-571; 58-580; 59-581; 59-583; 59-585; 62-614; 74-739; 91-906;

Jeanneau 439: 40-396; 40-397; 59-584; 59-585; 96-956;

Hanse Yachts: 16-154; 16-156; 16-158;

Hanse 400: 81-804;

Bluewater cruising yachts: 21-206

Beneteau Oceanis 37 : 31-306; 31-308; 31-309; 32-314; 55-541;

XC 38: 36-356; 96-954;

Diva 38: 39-386;

Diva 35: 40-391;

Dufour 405: 62-614;

Defline 43: 63-622

Walkabout 43: 93-923; 93-925; 93-927;

Small performance cruisers (less than 35ft)


Performance 32ft test: 29-87;

Sun Fast 3200: PG4-PT33; 4-34; 4-36; 30-293;

Elan 210: 70-691; 70-696; 78-779; 79-781;

Elan 310: PC7-PT64; 7-69; 8-71; 36-356; 41-408;

Quest 33: PG7-PT62

Olea 32: 25-243; 25-245;

First 27.7: 38-373; 38-380; 39-382;

First 30: 30-295; 39-356; 41-408; 55-545; 55-546;

Comet 26: 34-340; 35-345; 35-350; 36-353;

Pacer 30: 36-357;

Django 7.7: 40-399;

Vivace/Evosion 34: 45-442; 45-446; 45-445; 45-446; 45-447; 45-448; 45-449; 45-450; 46-458; 46-460;

Finn Flyer 34: 46-451; 46-453; 60-593;

Salona 34: 46-457;

Heol 7.4: 63-621; 63-622;

Azuree 33: 87-867; 91-902; 91-904;

JPK 10.10: 88-877 ; 88-880; 89-883;

Performance cruisers (between 35ft and 49ft)

Pogo 10.50: PG2-PT20; 3-27; 3-28; 3-30; 4-35; 5-50; 6-51; 6-52; 6-60; 11-101; 11-107; 11-110; 43-425; 44-440; 87-861; 87-867;

Pogo 12.50: PG13-PT125; 20-198; 20-199; 22-214; 27-264; 27-265; 27-269; 32-317; 32-319; 43-425; 43-426; 43-428; 44-432; 44-437; 44-439; 55-546; 55-547; 82-812; 84-831; 87-870;

Este 40: 89-890; 90-893; 90-899;

A35: PG5-PT42; 5-44; 66-660;

A40RC: 92-914;

Hammerhead 35: 64-645

Opium 39: PG5-PT42; 9-85; 9-89; 13-125; 22-220; 22-221; 43-426; 55-547; 86-857;

Aerodyne 35: PG7-PT62

Elan 350: PG7-PT64; 13-24; 13-126; 13-127; 13-128; 14-132; 18-178; 26-255; 36-356; 40-398; 41-405; 57-564; 59-589; 60-591; 72-711; 73-724; 74-738;

Elan 380: 23-223; 25-249; 26-256; 40-398; 59-589; 97-962;

Elan 410: 32-316; 79-784;

JPK 110: PG9-PT85; 10-91

Olea 44: PG10-PT100; 27-268;

Olea Yachts: 25-247;

Dufour 40e: Pg13-Pt125; 32-316; 55-547; 56-558; 56-559; 57-561; 57-562; 57-563; 59-586; 59-588,

Salona 37: 36-359; 41-406;

Salona 41: PG15-PT141; 15-145; 32-316; 36-356; 40-398; 54-538; 57-569; 78-778; 80-796; 80-798; 97-965;

Salona 42: PG15-PT145; 36-359; 40-398; 93-929; 94-932;

Cigale 16: PG15-PT148; 16-152; 17-161; 55-549; 63-625;

Cigale 14: PG17-PT163; 55-549;

Santa Cruz 43: PG17-PT169

Sydney Yachts: PG18-PT171; 18-175;

Sydney GTS 37: 43-423;

Sydney GTS 43: PG18-PT173;

Winner 12.20: PG20-193;

First 40: 31-304; 32-313; 32-316; 35-344; 36-354; 55-546; 55-547;

First 35: 36-356

Dehler 41: 30-296;

Dehler 44: 79-785;

Dehler 45: 36-356; 79-785;

Luffe 40.04: 30-300; 31-301; 31-303;

XP 38: 56-533; 56-544; 56-555; 67-622;

XP 44: 33-325;

Pacer 430: 36-357;

Pacer 376: 36-357; 66-652; 69-683;

Faurby 424: 36-360; 37-361; 37-363; 37-365;

Comfortina 39: 40-395;

J 133: 43-426; 63-620

J 111: 100-993;

Maxi 11: 99-982;

Arcona yachts: 46-456;

Arcona 410: 47-467; 47-468; 47-469; 48-471;

Arcona 430: 48-472;

Arcona 460: 50-495

Finngulf yachts: 46-456;

Varianta 44: 60-594; 60-595; 60-596; 60-597; 60-598; 64-639;

Imagine 53: 63-628;

Zou 40.2: 63-620

Ker 39: 68-676;

Finn-Flyer 42: 77-762;

Azuree 40: 85-842;

Loft 40: 85-848; 85-852;

Vivace 35: 90-895;

Sailing boats over 49ft

Zeydon 60 : PG 12-119;

JP 54: PG18-PT172;

Salona 60: 70-695;

Stadships: PG20-PT193; 20-195;

Pogo 50: 32-318; 32-319;

X-50: 54-537;

Murtic 52: 54-537;

Decksaloons and pilot house sailing boats

Sirius 32: PG1-PT1

Sirius 35: PG1-PT1; 1-10; 2-18; 50-491; 50-492; 60-559; 60-599;

Sirius 31: PG1-PT5; 2-17; 36-356;

Regina 35: 48-478;

Regina 40: PG11-PT104; 49-481; 49-483;

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Luffe 43DS: PG12-PT111; 12-115; 50-494;

Noordkaper 40: PG14-pt139;

Noordkaper yachts: PG16-PT155

Nordship 36: 30-297; 49-482;

Nordship 38: 49-482; 49-490;

Paulo's pilot house I: 38-376; 39-381; 39-383; 39-384;

Paulo's pilot house II: 69-682

Lyman & Morse 45: 38-379;

CR 38DS: 48-477; 48-478;

CR 40DS: 48-476; 48-478; 48-479; 50-494; 50-496; 50-497; 50-498;

Arcona 40DS: 50-494;

Racers

Figaro 2:pG4-PT36; 4-37; 5-42; 6-52; 6-53; 6-55; 6-56

VOR 70: PG16-PT160; 17-187

Farr 400: 67-661

Soto 40: 96-952;

Lifting keel/centerboarder

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Allures 45: PG10-PT93; 100-996;

Allures yachts: 25-248;

OVNI 425: 23-228;

OVNI 395 : 68-679; 69-690;

J 108: 67-661

Atlantic 43: 68-67

Boreal 44: 97-970; 98-974;

Multihulls till 34ft

Several Trimarans: 28-273;

Multihulls with 34ft and over

Dragonfly yachts: 26-257;

Dragonfly 35: 26-258; 27-261; 27-262;

Dragonfly 1200: 56-551;

Corsair 37: 28-276;

Farrier 39: 28-277;

Challenge 37: 28-278

Hammerhead 34: 29-385;

Hammerhead 54: 29-288; 30-292;

Trimax 10.80: 29-285;

Sig 45: 54-534; 54-539; 54-540;

Gunboat: 56-551

Fusion: 56-551;

Outremer: 56-551;

Tournier: 56-511;

Classical and Traditional boats

Jclass boats: 54-537;

Tofinou 12: 71-703;

Folck boat: 73-727;

Puffin Yachts: PG14-PT135; 14-138; 16-155;

Bestwind 50: PG12-PT116; 14-123;

Bestevaer 53: PG12-PT116;

Bestevaer yachts: PG16-PT155

Cape George 36: 41-410; 42-412;

Marieholm 33 : 42-412;

This list is not actualized. Please use the advanced search engine of the thread with the name of the model and builder. It works, most of the time.

(actualized till PG100) and it will be no more because that gives a lot of work (500 pages now).

Instead I am actualizing the titles and with the right title the thread search engine (not the one on the top of the page bit the one much below that says search thread) on its advanced option works quite well.

Hello,

Melrna posts on Miami Boat show and the comments of Smackdady about the interest of that thread lead me to think that perhaps I could share more information about sailboats I know and find interesting.

I am interested in boat design (interior and sailing performance) and I go each year at least to one of the main European Boat shows and that means basically Dusseldorf, Paris or Hamburg. On these shows you have the opportunity not only to visit the boats of the main and medium size builders but you have also the opportunity to visit the boats of small and sometime family shipyards.

Normally they build very good sailboats and sometimes they have been doing that for decades. The boats are hugely appreciated by their faithful customers but because they don't advertise their boats and there are very few on the used boat market, they pass unnoticed by the majority of the sail community.

The visit to these boats is a very rewarding experience because they are made with passion by true boat lovers and because when you talk to the guy that is on the boat, you are not talking with a dealer, that many times doesn't know much about boats, but with the builder, or the designer.

Even if you are not a buyer they will have real pleasure in talking with someone that really appreciates and understands their work. Those guys really believe in what they are doing and they do it the best way they can, no matter the cost. In a word, they are in love with what they are doing.
Of course, these boats have to be expensive.

This thread will be mainly about these boats, as a way of letting you know about these gems. Let's see if you are interested. I will not post much. If you want to know more you have just to participate and make questions.

The first one it will be the "Sirius". I have had the pleasure to visit several times their boats and to talk with the builders (father and son).

These boats have the best interiors you can find, or at least that I have seen. Not only the quality, but the design and ergonomy are fantastic. You really won't believe you are in a 32ft boat. Just incredible and amazing; Have a look at it:

Sirius-Werft Plön | Forecabin | 32 DS for 2 forecabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Owner´s cabin | 32 DS 4-berth comfort owner´s cabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Workshop | 32 DS for 2 workshop

Now that the son is in charge they have modernized the outside look of the new boats, they look fantastic not only inside but also outside. The boats sail well and they have clients as far as Japan.

Sirius-Werft Plön | Versions of decks house | You have the choice

Another interesting point is the way they develop new boats. They work with the clients to collect suggestions on the shape and design of the boats. A truly interesting affair, between passionate clients and passionate builders.

Sirius-Werft Plön | 35 DS | Philosophy

Take a good look at their interesting site and if you find the boat interesting, please let me know, I can add some information.

Sirius-Werft Plön | english | Welcome at website of Sirius-Werft Plön

Regards

Paulo
 
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#879 ·
paulo,

I looked in here for the first time in a few days. the Bieker 35.....do not quote me, but I think I may have mentioned it earlier in this thread. I probably referred to it as a riptide 35, as that is how I know her, with Bieker as the designer. I remember the first time seeing her sailing, she was moving in some less than 5 knot winds, everyone else seemed to be standing still, including us in a C&C 115.

Boat was initially designed for Jon McKee. He now has a 45'ish foot, a bit nicer than the 35. I do not know if it is as fast per say. IE compare the 35 to other 35's, she is on the faster end of things. the 45 has not from what I have seen raced and won a lot of races like the 35. One persons opinion of 2 local boats here in Puget Sound where Pudding and I in habit.

As far as "Capado" I like how it has two interior designs, both have places, I prefer the aft head, 2 fr and rear berth area version, vs the 2 rear berth, front head. I do see the plus/minus of both floorplans. But for a boat of this size, at least the how I would it, I still like the one a number of pages back, need to go look that one up.......

Marty
 
#885 · (Edited)
paulo,

I looked in here for the first time in a few days. the Bieker 35.....do not quote me, but I think I may have mentioned it earlier in this thread. I probably referred to it as a riptide 35, as that is how I know her, with Bieker as the designer. I remember the first time seeing her sailing, she was moving in some less than 5 knot winds, everyone else seemed to be standing still, including us in a C&C 115.

Boat was initially designed for Jon McKee. He now has a 45'ish foot, a bit nicer than the 35. I do not know if it is as fast per say. IE compare the 35 to other 35's, she is on the faster end of things. the 45 has not from what I have seen raced and won a lot of races like the 35. One persons opinion of 2 local boats here in Puget Sound where Pudding and I in habit.

Marty
Marty,

I remember you talking about the riptide 35 but I did not know the boat. for what you have said I understood that was a fast boat but I had no information. Puddinlegs pointed some impressive race results and I got curious and find out they are making a MKII, a new model.

I found specially interesting the new drawings, the ones that have less details and show a even more modern boat, with twin rudders and aggressive very modern lines.

Regards

Paulo
 
#880 ·
Boy did I have to go back a BUNCH of pages, Evosion 34, or Finn flyer 34 or some such length for the FF!

I noticed Evosion has a 35' boat.
EVOSION » EVOSION 35 â€" Race

Looks quicker by bunch's over the 34. Specs say the hull is from the VO70 style of boat. Now whether I would want one for SH/DH sailing with spouse in Puget Sound, but the Evosion or FF34 or 35 still seem to hit the spot. Altho the Elan 350 probably for price.....

Marty
 
#881 ·
Paulo certainly has a lot of time on his hands surfing the net for interesting (and sometimes weird boats. It would have been nice if he was knowledgeable enough to discuss their features in an adult manner. I’ve been thinking about the 10.2 boat and am curious about that retractable keel and what purpose does it truly serve? Do you think they do it to reduce surface area for running down wind? Never seen that before. The other thing that got me to wondering is the extreme faceted shape of the hull. I understand that hard chines are “in” now, but this is extreme. Then I thought, perhaps they don’t have the techniques to shape a curved surface. With all the surfboard building down in Santa Cruz (home of the “fast is fun” crowd). We take curved surfaces for granted. Even the one-off Newland 36 I used to sail on was very nicely shaped. The one thing I do know, if that 10.2 doesn’t maintain good fore and aft trim, suction is going to take over and It’s performance is going to suffer.
 
#882 ·
am curious about that retractable keel and what purpose does it truly serve? Do you think they do it to reduce surface area for running down wind? Never seen that before.
George, something like that is not so special. It is not about sailing performance but made for shallow anchorages and marinas. Pogo Structures nicely promotes it's swing keel with photos of the yacht very close to the beach - similar to a catamaran.
 
#883 ·
I saw a Pogo “mini” on a trailer at the boat show, but I am unfamiliar with the one you’re talking about. Got a link? I really don’t think that the Fox 10.2 was intended to be a gunk holer. 12 gallons of useable diesel, 15 HP engine, twin rudders, anchor stowed in the aft lazarette really more the features of an ocean racer than something you want to explore the back creeks with IMHO. Are the Europeans much for mooring fields? What are the tidal changes in the Med? Perhaps they need to retract for low tides? Or perhaps the boat was meant to be dry sailed and they want it to squat lower on its trailer or jack stands like an Antrim 27?
 
#886 ·
Paulo,

Do not quote me, but I recall 2 boats being made of the R35 initially. Terromoto and one other. Not sure where that one is. mark/Puddinglegs may, as he sails out of the marina south of me that has MOST of the bigger races here in Puget Sound, and the boat he mainly races on is one of the faster/better raced rigs on the sound. Altho at 18 phrf, the Farr 39 is not the fastest. That usually is Neptune Carr, a santa cruz70. An older Aligani is also ont he sound, with a -270 or some such rating as compared to the Carr at -66 or some number. Not sure what the IRC equal would be. 100phrf is supposed to be pretty close or equal from what I understand to be a 1.000 irc.

Marty
 
#887 · (Edited)
Guys, I bought today the May edition of "Voiles et Voiliers" and surprise, surprise, I found out they had sail tested the Fox 10.20. It seems that it is not only me that find this performance cruiser interesting:D.

Opposite of what normally occurs when sail magazines test cruising boats, this one was full loaded. The reason? Adrien and is wife were leaving for their circumnavigation 24 hours after: Full tanks, all the provisions, auxiliary boat and engine and even two bycicles;)

They have said about the sailing performance (translated):

Directionally stable, and always very responsive at the tiller, the boat is powerful and light due to a lead bulb situated 2.4m under the water.

The boat is fast and well balanced despite the load needed to the program . It accelerates quickly it is fun to sail, stay in its groove and gives a big desire to sail away.

The Fox 10.20 is globally a safe and fun boat with a sportive character and is a credible alternative to the Pogo and the RM.


Voiles et Voiliers : Essais et comparatifs - Fox 10.20 (Technologie Marine / Bertrand)

And now the best part, the measured speeds (with a fully loaded boat):

With 12K wind

at 50ºTW - 7.5K ......... 80ºTW - 8.5K .........130ºTW - 10K

The price is also a nice surprise for an almost custom boat:

165 000€ for a boat ready to sail away. The Pogo 10.50 costs 151 500€ but it seems to me that it has less equipment and has a worse interior. Besides with this one you can really have a say in all things, including interior, rigging, tankage and almost anything, you can really fit the boat to your needs and that is a rare thing that normally costs a lot of money.

Regards

Paulo
 
#888 ·
Can't please anyone these days.... As for as the derogatory comments on these boards, it's juvenile. Nobody is telling anyone to buy one of these boats, simply increasing awareness of the multitude of designs out there on the market today. If that get's some people bent out of shape, then they have much bigger problems in life.

Keep them coming Paulo!
 
#889 ·
Voile magazine tested the Allurse 45, the boat I have posted recently in post 996. This one:







It was a several days test (they call it 100nm even if sometimes is more). They have loved the boat and its live aboard potential. They have said about it (translated):

With 1m draft the Allures 45 give the happiness of the most improbable docking and therefore visit the most remote places not to mention the standing in beautiful places.

Nice looking and effective design...a XXL galley with a big frigo with two separated compartments, plenty of storage...a long course cruiser and a boat to live aboard...with a very good isolation...the comfort of a live aboard boat...a magnificent voyage boat...a very well built boat, intelligent and well designed in all the details, a boat that justifies the price (355 188€ with 20% French tax).

Sailing: with 12K wind against the wind, best with 50º, it makes about 5K, the normal performance for this type of boat. At 90º with 14/15K wind at 90º the boat makes more than 8K.

Engine: With the 55Hp engine the boat has an economic cruising speed of 5.2K and a max speed of 6.4 hp. The boat as an option for a 75hp engine that will give a better average speed and will waste less fuel.


They did not talked about it, probably they have not tested it but this kind of boat can be quite fast on the strong trade winds, going downwind with the keel up. It can easily go a little above hull speed and make 10/12K with ease and comfort.

As I have already said, a very interesting boat for the ones that want to go far with comfort and with the possibility of exploring all corners of the world, with the advantage and safety of a strong aluminum hull.

Regards

Paulo
 
#890 ·
Hi everybody,
I earlier asked for access to RM 1060-video withouthaving a subscrition. I think I found it at this link:
Voiles et Voiliers : Essais et comparatifs - RM 1060 : un baroudeur embourgeoisé

Paulo, you mentioned that the retailer in France has sold an Opium with some necessary improvments to the rig. What did you mean more specifically, I can not find that particular boat on the web anymore?

The Fox 10.20 looks interesting, and in addition to that they have an 11.60 on the web. Strange that no one else has a 11.50, everybody goes from 10.50 to 12.50. For me the 11.50, like the Opium, would be the perfect size.

Regards,
Anders
 
#891 · (Edited)
Hi everybody,
I earlier asked for access to RM 1060-video withouthaving a subscrition. I think I found it at this link:
Voiles et Voiliers : Essais et comparatifs - RM 1060 : un baroudeur embourgeoisé
Hei! you have found the full test! Outstanding, that should be paid:D

Nice test. I share the opinion of the tester: very nice boat in what regards sailing but expensive for its size and with an interior functional but "rudimentary" in what regards warmness and looks.

Paulo, you mentioned that the retailer in France has sold an Opium with some necessary improvments to the rig. What did you mean more specifically, I can not find that particular boat on the web anymore?
The boat was never been in the net and the needed improvements are not in the rig but in the running rigging. Sorry if I was not clear.

What I have said is that if you go the the La Rochelle dealer, he can show you on the La Rochelle port (Minimes) a Rm that has the running rig (and not the rig) modified by them at the demand of a client in the way I think it should be rigged, for working properly.

The standard boat is rigged with the German sheeting and that means that you have to use winches to move and regulate the mainsail (more friction). Boats that use that system, like the Salona 41 have normally two winches on each side of cockpit, one for the front sail, other for the mainsail, but the Opium only has one for each side and that means that you have to change the lines, blocking one, to use the only winch for the two tasks.

I would say that the boat was not thought by the designer to use German sheeting but to use a direct system, like the one you use on the RM 1060. That way you don't need winches for the main sail and can use the ones the boat has on the side exclusively for the front sail.

The boat that is on the Minimes (belonging to a client) has a system like that. It makes sense to me and I would fit it in the boat if I bought one.

The Fox 10.20 looks interesting, and in addition to that they have an 11.60 on the web. Strange that no one else has a 11.50, everybody goes from 10.50 to 12.50. For me the 11.50, like the Opium, would be the perfect size.
The Opium 39 has 11.47m, the Elan 38 has 11.44m, the Comet 38 has 11.40m the Pacer 376 has 11.48 m. I don't think that the most popular size above 10.50 is 12.50, but 11.99, to escape to pay on European Marinas the extra charge for boats over 12.00m. You have plenty boats with that size including the RM 1200 and the Dufour 40e.

I agree with you, probably the best compromise for a solo sailor that wants to live aboard is about 11.50. Space enough for living comfortably but small enough to be easily maneuvered in the marina and also smaller sails to handle in a blow, not to mention smaller maintenance bills.

Regards

Paulo
 
#892 ·
Hi Paulo,
I ment that it is very difficult to find a 11.50 of the kind of boats that RM, Opium and Pogo represents. For me 3,95*11,50-11,99 (lenght over all, not hull length since many marinas use LOA as stated by manufacturer) would be the optimum, as you also writes.

I have asked RM why they have such a big gap between 10.60 (smallish) and 1200/1260 (rather over above mentioned numbers) but got no reply so far.

Regards,
Anders
 
#893 ·
A copy and paste from a link on the jeanneau owners forum with info on the new SO 379

Marty

Here is the first image of the SO379

Provisional specifications for the new Sun Odyssey 379 just obtained:

Length Overall 11.24 m 36' 10"
Hull Length 10.98 m 36' 0"
Waterline Length 10.35 m 33' 11"
Max Beam 3.76 m 12' 4"
Deep keel weight 1870 kg 4123 lbs
Deep draft 1.95 m 6' 4"
Shoal keel weight 2125 kg 4685 lbs
Shoal draft 1.50 m 4' 11"
Lifting keel weight 2112 kg 4656 lbs
Lifting keel draft 1.10 m / 2.25 m 3' 7" / 7' 4"
Displacement - deep draft 6280 kg 13845 lbs
Engine 29 Hp 21 Kw
Cabin 2/3
Fuel capacity 130 lt
Water capacity 206 lt (+ 130 lt option)
Fridge capacity 180 lt
Classic Rig dimensions
I - 14.22 m
J - 4.15 m
P - 13.60 m
E - 4.25 m
Mainsail 36.0 m² 387 sq ft
Solent self-tacking 24.0 m² 258 sq ft
Genoa 35.0 m² 377 sq ft
Spinnaker 90.0 m² 968 sq ft
CE category A - 8 pers
Design Architect Marc Lombard / Jeanneau Design

Note that there will be a lift keel as well as shallow and deep draft versions

Although a Marc Lombard design rather than the Philip Briand of her larger 409 and 439 siblings the design cues are very similar - note transom bustle as well as german main and self-tacker option etc

Larger image at:

Sun Odyssey 379


Attachment: Sun Odyssey 379 crop.jpg (60.0 KB)
 
#894 ·
Thanks Marty, you are the Man in what regards Jeanneau and this one looks really great:



We were talking about 38ft and here comes a new one!;)

Personnaly I like more the designs of Lombard than the ones from Philip Briand, and I am not talking about the looks but about the hull design. It seems to me that this boat has the beam brought further back than on the 409 giving it a more powerful hull. I like it more than the 409 and that is great because it is more easy to make a bigger boat look better:)

It does not seem to me that it will have twin rudders and that's a pity but with a ballast/displacement ratio of 30%, with a bulb at 1.95m and a powerful hull this boat seem to support more sail than the one that is announced and will have certainly a performance version. The weight seems alright to me, 6280kg is very good for a 38ft cruiser. A very nice boat.

Pity that there are not place, as on the 409, to an additional pair of winches.

I just hope the interior will match in quality the overall design:)

Regards

Paulo
 
#895 ·
Paulo,

Another fellow on the JO site, thoght set of winches could be put forward of the cockpit seat storage area's. If so, then one could have plenty of them. Remove the table to install a cockpit mounted main traveller, taller rig by a Meter, 2.1M keel(add some lead to the bottom instead of all steel - my thought) and you would have a pretty solid performing boat. He thinks this one could rival the 39iP, which is currently the most performance oriented of the current line. The lombard design seems to have a few more positive comments over the 409/439 lines. I personally am not seeing too much difference with the pics at hand.

Also this appears to be just shy of 37' long at 36'10" OA, deck at 36'. The claim is not to take over from the SO36, but sure looks like it!

Marty
 
#896 ·
Paulo,

Another fellow on the JO site, thoght set of winches could be put forward of the cockpit seat storage area's. ...

Marty
I see what you mean, but it is a pity, they will be too much forward to be easy handled by a solo sailor. Now, they could just make that opening of the seat storage space 20 or 25cm shorter, pull it all to the front and then you would have space for the two other winches in the right place;)

Regards

Paulo
 
#898 ·
Another about the 379, if I am seeing the main sheet rigging correctly, looks to be a german system? is led back to a cockpit winch from the cabin top. That would be nice for a SH/DH sailing setup vs crew style. Not having used this system, not sure how it would be vs a traveler in the cockpit to a sheet at the back end of the boom.....

Marty
 
#899 ·
No, I don't think so. This is the same system that is on the 409. Is a German sheeting alright but the lines are brought back to the winch near the wheel. On that winch you control the front sail and the back sail. You have stoppers and have to change lines on the winch. It has the advantage of having all controls at hand, but not really the same thing as having two winches with the lines at hand;) even if not as expensive.

Regards

Paulo
 
#902 ·
Interesting floorplan compared to typical like it. It has storage where usually you see a nav desk of sorts on the port side. Altho there appears to be something on par just behind the mast. While the nav desk does seem to be going out of style per say, due to electronic nav aids, I still find a nav area to be nice for the radio, electric panels, laptop or laying out some kind of chart vs using the main saloon table. BUT, this is personal opinion, and may not follow the needs of other folks buying boats today.

Marty
 
#903 ·
Hey Marty, you have a nav desk and that's one of the more original designs on the boat. Like on the race boats, central, just in front of the stairs. It is partially fold-able and when not in use can serve as support table for the galley. You have space for instruments just in front of your eyes, between the mast and the table. You have plenty space for them.

Regards

Paulo
 
#904 ·
Hello,
We have left from Marseille on the 4th of March, and we are now in Gibraltar about to set sails towards Canarias. The Fox 10.20 has proved to be really good at sea with good speeds, especially reaching. Still a few twicks to do to get the maximum out of her.
It is quite fun to have so many people stopping by in each harbour asking about the boat.
I think this trip will help a lot getting every details sorted so the next customer will benefit for all that we are learning.

Regards
 
#907 ·
Fox 10.20

Hello,

Lifting keel is working properly. Best thing is that it does not move while sailing. (it had a bit, but we fixed it)
You should just be carefull not to lift it when there is some choppy sea. As it is lifted thanks to a big purchase and the mainsail winch, you just need to swet a bit to get it to the top.
So far, performances has been good. Of course you need to pay attention to the weight you carry around (as for every boat). It is all about knowing what you really need and where you want the weight to be.
After our navigation from Gibraltar to Canarias, we'll be able to estimate better how we get to actually live on board at sea, as so far we only did small jumps from one or two days max.
A French Magazine came onboard to try the boat, although you need to subscribe to read it. And it is in French.

Regards
 
#908 ·
....
After our navigation from Gibraltar to Canarias, we'll be able to estimate better how we get to actually live on board at sea, as so far we only did small jumps from one or two days max.
A French Magazine came onboard to try the boat, although you need to subscribe to read it. And it is in French.

Regards
I have read the test on the paper magazine. That's why I have asked if the keel was already functional. They say on the test that the lifting system was not finnished:)

Keep us posted and fair winds to you;)

Regards

Paulo
 
#909 ·
Paulo,

So I was correct in that the "nav area" if you will, was that foldable table to the aft of the mast....ok, I can handle that. In reality, quite possibly a "better" place that where the storage unit is on the port side, that would be more atypical of that floorplan. Ie where it is on my 85 Jeanneau, but most of my stuff flipped flopped if you will. Ie head nav is on the starboard, galley, aft stateroom on port.

any way, life goes on.

Nice to see the owners of the F1020 popping in with info! look to see more.

marty
 
#911 ·
Kiriacoulis Yacht Management Program

Hi folks

Has anyone had anything to do with Kiriacoulis and more specifically their yacht management program? They offer various schemes that allow you purchase a yacht from an approved yacht list. In exchange for the yacht being used in their yacht charter fleet for the duration of the agreement - 3.5 years or 5.5 years - you are given personal use rights that are season dependent but can add up to our required 12 weeks and they cover all expenses including marina charges and maintenance. At the end of period, the yacht is surveyed before being removed from the charter fleet or alternatively a new deal can be negotaited. In addition, you are able to use a similar yacht at any of their bases in the Mediterranean and Caribbean. The scheme has some attraction for those that will only be able to use their yacht for 3 months a year. The downside is that you are restricted in the choice of boat which brings me to my second question.

The yachts that are available in the 35 to 38 foot range are the following - Jeanneau 36i, Beneteau Oceanis 37 (the First range is not available), Bavaria Cruiser 36, Dufour 375 and believe it or not the Dufour 34e. I have asked Kiriacoulis if they would allow for some level of customisation on the yachts to improve their performance including opting for the performance version of the Jeanneau and upgrading the standard specs to suit performance cruising on the others. I have also enquired whether they would consider a Salona 37 or an Elan 350 but I am afraid not.

We would be using the yacht for coastal cruising and would prefer to have a yacht that gets us from A to B fast :) We have no intention of racing or entering regattas but who knows.

After looking at all the usual performance and safety ratios, my take is as follows:

Jeanneau 36i - definitely would prefer the perfomance package, like the looks, seem to have a solid reputation for build quality and resale value. Still not sure about the weight (load bearing capability) particularly if we want to do the ARC one day and re-locate the yacht to the Caribbean. Separate shower below decks in 2 cabin version a definite plus for liveaboard. We are chartering one in September in Croatia. Could always wait for that Jeanneau 379 :)

Beneteau 37 - seems to be a good compromise between performance, safety, comfort and price. The polar charts actually show that the yacht is quicker than the Jeanneau 36iP! With a LOA at 11.48, beam at 3.92 and weight at approx 6350 kg, there will be more tankage and load bearing capability than the Jeanneau and the Dufour 34e. Loads of comments in the forums about poor quality finishes and most worrying that the hull is not as good as it should be though.Anyone know the STIX rating?

Bavaria Cruiser 36 - seems to have a hull that is really well built and with the right options could be a quick boat BUT I personally don't like the look that much - yachting monthly have just described it as a bloated whale and scored it 77/100 pts. Also the interior doesn't do it for me. I like contemporary but the Ikea look could get to you eventually. At 7,000 kg's the yacht is the heaviest by far which can't help in light winds. Really good value though. Anyone have the polar chart for this yacht?

Dufour 375 - great looker IMO, seems to be very beamy though and the SA/D at 18.5, although not bad, is quite a bit lower than the others. I have really struggled to find the polar charts for this yacht as well as the STIX and AVS ratings but to no avail, so I don't have the full picture yet. Also it is the most expensive - about 7% more than the Beneteau and the Jeanneau. Polar chart, STiX and AVS would be most welcome :)

Dufour 34e - Again a great looker (IMO), has a racing pedigree with great comfort thrown in but it also the smallest and lightest and therefore not sure about its cruising capability. With a mast height of 15.1m, it is also possibly a little under sheeted - seems to be confirmed by comments in the forums - unless you opt for a taller rig but this requires a visit to your sailmaker which is not going to work in a yacht management program. I am thinking of chartering this boat for a week in October in Croatia for a first hand experience. Again polar chart, STIX and AVS would be most welcome.

You folks out there are way more experienced than I am and I am always keen to hear the views of the experts so any help and comments would be useful.

All the best

David
 
#935 ·
Hi folks

Has anyone had anything to do with Kiriacoulis and more specifically their yacht management program? They offer various schemes that allow you purchase a yacht from an approved yacht list. In exchange for the yacht being used in their yacht charter fleet for the duration of the agreement - 3.5 years or 5.5 years - you are given personal use rights that are season dependent but can add up to our required 12 weeks and they cover all expenses including marina charges and maintenance. At the end of period, the yacht is surveyed before being removed from the charter fleet or alternatively a new deal can be negotaited. In addition, you are able to use a similar yacht at any of their bases in the Mediterranean and Caribbean. The scheme has some attraction for those that will only be able to use their yacht for 3 months a year. The downside is that you are restricted in the choice of boat which brings me to my second question.

The yachts that are available in the 35 to 38 foot range are the following - Jeanneau 36i, Beneteau Oceanis 37 (the First range is not available), Bavaria Cruiser 36, Dufour 375 and believe it or not the Dufour 34e. I have asked Kiriacoulis if they would allow for some level of customisation on the yachts to improve their performance including opting for the performance version of the Jeanneau and upgrading the standard specs to suit performance cruising on the others. I have also enquired whether they would consider a Salona 37 or an Elan 350 but I am afraid not.

We would be using the yacht for coastal cruising and would prefer to have a yacht that gets us from A to B fast :) We have no intention of racing or entering regattas but who knows.

After looking at all the usual performance and safety ratios, my take is as follows:

Jeanneau 36i - definitely would prefer the perfomance package, like the looks, seem to have a solid reputation for build quality and resale value. Still not sure about the weight (load bearing capability) particularly if we want to do the ARC one day and re-locate the yacht to the Caribbean. Separate shower below decks in 2 cabin version a definite plus for liveaboard. We are chartering one in September in Croatia. Could always wait for that Jeanneau 379 :)

Beneteau 37 - seems to be a good compromise between performance, safety, comfort and price. The polar charts actually show that the yacht is quicker than the Jeanneau 36iP! With a LOA at 11.48, beam at 3.92 and weight at approx 6350 kg, there will be more tankage and load bearing capability than the Jeanneau and the Dufour 34e. Loads of comments in the forums about poor quality finishes and most worrying that the hull is not as good as it should be though.Anyone know the STIX rating?

Bavaria Cruiser 36 - seems to have a hull that is really well built and with the right options could be a quick boat BUT I personally don't like the look that much - yachting monthly have just described it as a bloated whale and scored it 77/100 pts. Also the interior doesn't do it for me. I like contemporary but the Ikea look could get to you eventually. At 7,000 kg's the yacht is the heaviest by far which can't help in light winds. Really good value though. Anyone have the polar chart for this yacht?

Dufour 375 - great looker IMO, seems to be very beamy though and the SA/D at 18.5, although not bad, is quite a bit lower than the others. I have really struggled to find the polar charts for this yacht as well as the STIX and AVS ratings but to no avail, so I don't have the full picture yet. Also it is the most expensive - about 7% more than the Beneteau and the Jeanneau. Polar chart, STiX and AVS would be most welcome :)

Dufour 34e - Again a great looker (IMO), has a racing pedigree with great comfort thrown in but it also the smallest and lightest and therefore not sure about its cruising capability. With a mast height of 15.1m, it is also possibly a little under sheeted - seems to be confirmed by comments in the forums - unless you opt for a taller rig but this requires a visit to your sailmaker which is not going to work in a yacht management program. I am thinking of chartering this boat for a week in October in Croatia for a first hand experience. Again polar chart, STIX and AVS would be most welcome.

You folks out there are way more experienced than I am and I am always keen to hear the views of the experts so any help and comments would be useful.

All the best

David
I have rented with them in Bormes les Mimosas (Bavaria 38 cruiser), and will be renting again in 2 weeks a Bene 37. Happy to let you know what I think of it. I'm chartering a SO 36i for 2 weeks in August in Ajaccio Corsica and can do likewise if you're not in a rush for info. Kiriakoulis are serious, well managed and operating from my limited first hand experience. I haven't had any business or own/lease discussions with them but I have looked at their purchase prices and they are competitive. Their base locations are pretty good if you want varied stomping grounds for charters.
 
#1,199 ·
Fox 10.20



Hello,
Sorry to answer that late to this request.
We crossed the atlantic successfully with the Fox 10.20. Speed has often been good. Regarding Figaro 2 polars, we have often quicker with winds below 10 knots and above 16 knots. Between 10 and 16 knots, it was diffucult to keep the same VMG downwing as asymetrical does not allow for very low angles.
The boat is quick to reach 9 knots, with surfs at 12 or 13 knots (depending on wave height). Concerning payload, as I am skippering the boat myself, we finished it and maintain it ourselves. I can not help you much on that.

You can check two videos of the crossing on:
YouTube - ‪Atlantique 2011.m4v‬‏
and
YouTube - ‪Traversée Atlantique time laps.m4v‬‏

Obviously, the Fox 11.60 will be a bit more confortable and has a slightly higher average speed.
The thing that the video does not show much is that we helmed the boat very few times, always with the big or fractional asymetrical up. Pilot was good enough to keep the boat fast.

Now it is good to go at 10 knots going down Sainte Lucia. We leave for the Grenadines so we'll get a full use of the lifting keel.

Regards
 
#914 · (Edited)
New boat:

Let's look at another interesting 38ft, an Italian one. It is not really new (2008), but I like it a lot. I love the looks:)

The Comet 38s it is fast it's very well made, has a quality interior even if not for all tastes. It has a small defect (not any port hull) and a big one:D : It is expensive.

The boat has an unusually high ballast/displacement ratio (36%) probably because on its standard version does not have a bulb (can have one as an option).

The boat is really fast and the speed with light wind is great. On the Yacht magazine test they measured with 10k wind:

42ºTW - 6.3K ---- 60ºTW - 7.2K ---- 90ºTW - 7.8K ---- 130º - 6.9k ---- 180º - 5.4K

on the Solovela test they measured with with between 10 and 16K (without geenaker) :

30ºAW - 7.5K ---- 60ºAW - 8.4K ---- 90ºAW - 8.1K ---- 120ºAW - 6.8K ---- 150AW - 6.5K ----- 180AW - 6.1K

This is boat really excels in upwind performance it is a relatively narrow boat with only 3.73m of beam, light (6400kg) and with a lot of sail (80.6m2).

On Solovela they say about it:

"Fast on the water: Very good response at the wheel, soft and comfortable on the wave passage and very good effectiveness of all sail regulations....it is on the sea that the Comet 38s show its essence: the capacity of transmitting to the wheel man information and emotion...a true thoroughbred"







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#915 · (Edited)
New boat, the Elan 394:

The Ean 394 is going to replace the Elan 384 on the series of more "fat" and more comfortable interior boats from Elan, the ones that are equivalent to the Oceanis Beneteau series or Jeanneau DS series.

The 384 and 434 are around for more than half a dozen years, are designed, as all Elans, by Rob Humphreys and were locked as a slightly more seaworthy alternative to the Oceanis (Beneteau) and Jeanneau Ds line even if in my opinion the overall design of Jeanneau and Benetau is better.

They have changed last year the 434 fot the 444. I saw the boat in Eslovenia and it has so ugly that I don't even posted here the photos I have taken:(

ELAN Marine - Sail - Sail Yachts

The boat looked puffed and a lot more "fat" than the previous model and I really did not understood their intention. 9 months later they still have the 434 in their catalog side by side with the 444 and that means something regarding public acceptance of the new model.

They are now presenting the 394, the one that is going to replace the 384 and by the first images, it looks a lot better than the 444 in what regards design. After the 444 I will reserve my opinion till I see more of the boat;)

Here are the first images:





Regards

Paulo
 
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