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Originally Posted by G1000 View Post
Draft is the same as 430 MkII. Sure it will be faster due to weight difference. Basically 44 is just striped out 430. Hanse 430 - Specs -

But will 44 be any faster than race ready 430?

Team Minnic and you can buy this one 2008 Hanse 430E Competition Sail New and Used Boats for Sale -
Of course not. But that is a factory racing boat. Nothing to do with the Hanse you can buy. I have talked once with the guy that raced that boat and I know the sort of mods they have done to it, including a completely new keel with 2.3 draft. They say on the add:

The HANSE 430E COMPETITION has been modified for races with a modified keel and 2,30m draught and a modified rudder. The hull, deck and superstructure have been built in foam and epoxid.

They say on team Minnic:

The internationally renowned design team Judel / Vrolijk & Co. (Rolf Vrolijk is responsible, inter alia, for the design of two-time America's Cup winner Alinghi) analyzed in 2007, taking as base the Hanse 430e developed a competition boat. Compared to the series crucial changes were made in yacht mast, keel, rudder, sail area and the bracing and materials . Rudder and mast are made of high-tech material carbon. The interior is made of laminated veneer and sandwich plates. In comparison to the standard production yacht a weight reduction of about 1.3 up to 1,5 tons was achieved and that permitted a 20% increased sail area. The deck layout has been optimized for maneuver for an eight-member crew. Only high-quality hardware is used, both in terms of race and fittings ....

The reason that factory racing Hanse will be faster than the Varianta is the same that will make Varianta faster than a "normal" Hanse 430: Less weight, same ballast, deeper keel = more righting moment, a stiffer and more powerful boat, able to carry more sail.

Team Minnic

Besides that deep draft keel (close to the one from varianta) that racing Hanse weights 500 kg less than the Varianta. I guess you can still improve Varianta weight for racing striping it a bit but you will never get near the weight of the factory racing Hanse. That is a fast boat that has won some races. Hanse used it to advertise the 430 (as if the two boats were the same ).

But look at the price: That's a 2008 beaten race boat (lot's of races) and it costs almost the double as a new Varianta

2008 Hanse 430E Competition Sail New and Used Boats for Sale -

There are other brands with IMS or ORC race boats derived from the Standard boats but that boats have little in common with the standard boats, except the shape of the hull. That Hanse does not even have a freezer or a gas stove. It is a pure racing boat, not a cruiser racer.



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