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Interesting Sailboats

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Sirius 32, Sirius 35

THE OBJECT OF THIS THREAD:

Interesting sailboats in production and available on the new boat market (only boats with modern designs, meaning that the boats still in production but made with old designs are out). Recent designs out of production are also admissible.

Modern boat designs and modern one off, if interesting.

Classical boats and traditional boats.

Small cruisers (less than 35ft)

Seezunge 27ft: PG1-PT9

Hanse 325: PG19-PT185;

Presto 30 : 33-326; 33-327; 34-331; 34-333; 55-543; 55-544;

Tess Yachts: 37-366; 38-373;

Tess 28 Magnum: 37-369; 38-371;

Delphia 28: 38-373;

Vancouver 27/28 : 42-412; 72-717;

Cruisers between 35ft and 49ft


Catalina 355 : 31-306;

RM sailboats: PG5-PT41; 5-42

RM1050: PG5-PT46; 5-47; 5-48;

RM 1060: PG8-PT77; 8-78; 8-79; 8-80; 9-81; 30-295; 40-400; 79-786;

RM 1200: PG9-PT84; 9-85; 19-184; 20-191; 20-192; 41-404; 42-414; 42-418; 43-425; 43-426; 69-688;

RM 1350: PG9-PT82; 55-549; 95-943;

Morris Yachts: PG7-PT61

Bavaria 36: PG19-PT188; 19-190; 20-196;

Bavaria 40: PG10-PT95; 28-278; 29-281; 29-282; 29-283; 29-286; 32-316; 36-356; 51-502; 51-507; 52-518; 53-527; 53-532;

Bavaria 40s: 69-685; 78-775;

Bavaria 45: PG10-PT96; 19-190;

Rustler Yachts: PG11-PT104;

Jeanneau 409: PG11-PT103: 11-106; 30-298; 30-299; 36-356; 51-502; 51-504; 51-505; 51-509; 52-513; 52-514; 52-515; 52-516; 53-527; 54-532; 57-564; 57-570; 58-571; 58-580; 59-581; 59-583; 59-585; 62-614; 74-739; 91-906;

Jeanneau 439: 40-396; 40-397; 59-584; 59-585; 96-956;

Hanse Yachts: 16-154; 16-156; 16-158;

Hanse 400: 81-804;

Bluewater cruising yachts: 21-206

Beneteau Oceanis 37 : 31-306; 31-308; 31-309; 32-314; 55-541;

XC 38: 36-356; 96-954;

Diva 38: 39-386;

Diva 35: 40-391;

Dufour 405: 62-614;

Defline 43: 63-622

Walkabout 43: 93-923; 93-925; 93-927;

Small performance cruisers (less than 35ft)


Performance 32ft test: 29-87;

Sun Fast 3200: PG4-PT33; 4-34; 4-36; 30-293;

Elan 210: 70-691; 70-696; 78-779; 79-781;

Elan 310: PC7-PT64; 7-69; 8-71; 36-356; 41-408;

Quest 33: PG7-PT62

Olea 32: 25-243; 25-245;

First 27.7: 38-373; 38-380; 39-382;

First 30: 30-295; 39-356; 41-408; 55-545; 55-546;

Comet 26: 34-340; 35-345; 35-350; 36-353;

Pacer 30: 36-357;

Django 7.7: 40-399;

Vivace/Evosion 34: 45-442; 45-446; 45-445; 45-446; 45-447; 45-448; 45-449; 45-450; 46-458; 46-460;

Finn Flyer 34: 46-451; 46-453; 60-593;

Salona 34: 46-457;

Heol 7.4: 63-621; 63-622;

Azuree 33: 87-867; 91-902; 91-904;

JPK 10.10: 88-877 ; 88-880; 89-883;

Performance cruisers (between 35ft and 49ft)

Pogo 10.50: PG2-PT20; 3-27; 3-28; 3-30; 4-35; 5-50; 6-51; 6-52; 6-60; 11-101; 11-107; 11-110; 43-425; 44-440; 87-861; 87-867;

Pogo 12.50: PG13-PT125; 20-198; 20-199; 22-214; 27-264; 27-265; 27-269; 32-317; 32-319; 43-425; 43-426; 43-428; 44-432; 44-437; 44-439; 55-546; 55-547; 82-812; 84-831; 87-870;

Este 40: 89-890; 90-893; 90-899;

A35: PG5-PT42; 5-44; 66-660;

A40RC: 92-914;

Hammerhead 35: 64-645

Opium 39: PG5-PT42; 9-85; 9-89; 13-125; 22-220; 22-221; 43-426; 55-547; 86-857;

Aerodyne 35: PG7-PT62

Elan 350: PG7-PT64; 13-24; 13-126; 13-127; 13-128; 14-132; 18-178; 26-255; 36-356; 40-398; 41-405; 57-564; 59-589; 60-591; 72-711; 73-724; 74-738;

Elan 380: 23-223; 25-249; 26-256; 40-398; 59-589; 97-962;

Elan 410: 32-316; 79-784;

JPK 110: PG9-PT85; 10-91

Olea 44: PG10-PT100; 27-268;

Olea Yachts: 25-247;

Dufour 40e: Pg13-Pt125; 32-316; 55-547; 56-558; 56-559; 57-561; 57-562; 57-563; 59-586; 59-588,

Salona 37: 36-359; 41-406;

Salona 41: PG15-PT141; 15-145; 32-316; 36-356; 40-398; 54-538; 57-569; 78-778; 80-796; 80-798; 97-965;

Salona 42: PG15-PT145; 36-359; 40-398; 93-929; 94-932;

Cigale 16: PG15-PT148; 16-152; 17-161; 55-549; 63-625;

Cigale 14: PG17-PT163; 55-549;

Santa Cruz 43: PG17-PT169

Sydney Yachts: PG18-PT171; 18-175;

Sydney GTS 37: 43-423;

Sydney GTS 43: PG18-PT173;

Winner 12.20: PG20-193;

First 40: 31-304; 32-313; 32-316; 35-344; 36-354; 55-546; 55-547;

First 35: 36-356

Dehler 41: 30-296;

Dehler 44: 79-785;

Dehler 45: 36-356; 79-785;

Luffe 40.04: 30-300; 31-301; 31-303;

XP 38: 56-533; 56-544; 56-555; 67-622;

XP 44: 33-325;

Pacer 430: 36-357;

Pacer 376: 36-357; 66-652; 69-683;

Faurby 424: 36-360; 37-361; 37-363; 37-365;

Comfortina 39: 40-395;

J 133: 43-426; 63-620

J 111: 100-993;

Maxi 11: 99-982;

Arcona yachts: 46-456;

Arcona 410: 47-467; 47-468; 47-469; 48-471;

Arcona 430: 48-472;

Arcona 460: 50-495

Finngulf yachts: 46-456;

Varianta 44: 60-594; 60-595; 60-596; 60-597; 60-598; 64-639;

Imagine 53: 63-628;

Zou 40.2: 63-620

Ker 39: 68-676;

Finn-Flyer 42: 77-762;

Azuree 40: 85-842;

Loft 40: 85-848; 85-852;

Vivace 35: 90-895;

Sailing boats over 49ft

Zeydon 60 : PG 12-119;

JP 54: PG18-PT172;

Salona 60: 70-695;

Stadships: PG20-PT193; 20-195;

Pogo 50: 32-318; 32-319;

X-50: 54-537;

Murtic 52: 54-537;

Decksaloons and pilot house sailing boats

Sirius 32: PG1-PT1

Sirius 35: PG1-PT1; 1-10; 2-18; 50-491; 50-492; 60-559; 60-599;

Sirius 31: PG1-PT5; 2-17; 36-356;

Regina 35: 48-478;

Regina 40: PG11-PT104; 49-481; 49-483;

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Luffe 43DS: PG12-PT111; 12-115; 50-494;

Noordkaper 40: PG14-pt139;

Noordkaper yachts: PG16-PT155

Nordship 36: 30-297; 49-482;

Nordship 38: 49-482; 49-490;

Paulo's pilot house I: 38-376; 39-381; 39-383; 39-384;

Paulo's pilot house II: 69-682

Lyman & Morse 45: 38-379;

CR 38DS: 48-477; 48-478;

CR 40DS: 48-476; 48-478; 48-479; 50-494; 50-496; 50-497; 50-498;

Arcona 40DS: 50-494;

Racers

Figaro 2:pG4-PT36; 4-37; 5-42; 6-52; 6-53; 6-55; 6-56

VOR 70: PG16-PT160; 17-187

Farr 400: 67-661

Soto 40: 96-952;

Lifting keel/centerboarder

Southerly yachts: PG11-PT104;

Allures 45: PG10-PT93; 100-996;

Allures yachts: 25-248;

OVNI 425: 23-228;

OVNI 395 : 68-679; 69-690;

J 108: 67-661

Atlantic 43: 68-67

Boreal 44: 97-970; 98-974;

Multihulls till 34ft

Several Trimarans: 28-273;

Multihulls with 34ft and over

Dragonfly yachts: 26-257;

Dragonfly 35: 26-258; 27-261; 27-262;

Dragonfly 1200: 56-551;

Corsair 37: 28-276;

Farrier 39: 28-277;

Challenge 37: 28-278

Hammerhead 34: 29-385;

Hammerhead 54: 29-288; 30-292;

Trimax 10.80: 29-285;

Sig 45: 54-534; 54-539; 54-540;

Gunboat: 56-551

Fusion: 56-551;

Outremer: 56-551;

Tournier: 56-511;

Classical and Traditional boats

Jclass boats: 54-537;

Tofinou 12: 71-703;

Folck boat: 73-727;

Puffin Yachts: PG14-PT135; 14-138; 16-155;

Bestwind 50: PG12-PT116; 14-123;

Bestevaer 53: PG12-PT116;

Bestevaer yachts: PG16-PT155

Cape George 36: 41-410; 42-412;

Marieholm 33 : 42-412;

This list is not actualized. Please use the advanced search engine of the thread with the name of the model and builder. It works, most of the time.

(actualized till PG100) and it will be no more because that gives a lot of work (500 pages now).

Instead I am actualizing the titles and with the right title the thread search engine (not the one on the top of the page bit the one much below that says search thread) on its advanced option works quite well.

Hello,

Melrna posts on Miami Boat show and the comments of Smackdady about the interest of that thread lead me to think that perhaps I could share more information about sailboats I know and find interesting.

I am interested in boat design (interior and sailing performance) and I go each year at least to one of the main European Boat shows and that means basically Dusseldorf, Paris or Hamburg. On these shows you have the opportunity not only to visit the boats of the main and medium size builders but you have also the opportunity to visit the boats of small and sometime family shipyards.

Normally they build very good sailboats and sometimes they have been doing that for decades. The boats are hugely appreciated by their faithful customers but because they don't advertise their boats and there are very few on the used boat market, they pass unnoticed by the majority of the sail community.

The visit to these boats is a very rewarding experience because they are made with passion by true boat lovers and because when you talk to the guy that is on the boat, you are not talking with a dealer, that many times doesn't know much about boats, but with the builder, or the designer.

Even if you are not a buyer they will have real pleasure in talking with someone that really appreciates and understands their work. Those guys really believe in what they are doing and they do it the best way they can, no matter the cost. In a word, they are in love with what they are doing.
Of course, these boats have to be expensive.

This thread will be mainly about these boats, as a way of letting you know about these gems. Let's see if you are interested. I will not post much. If you want to know more you have just to participate and make questions.

The first one it will be the "Sirius". I have had the pleasure to visit several times their boats and to talk with the builders (father and son).

These boats have the best interiors you can find, or at least that I have seen. Not only the quality, but the design and ergonomy are fantastic. You really won't believe you are in a 32ft boat. Just incredible and amazing; Have a look at it:

Sirius-Werft Plön | Forecabin | 32 DS for 2 forecabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Owner´s cabin | 32 DS 4-berth comfort owner´s cabin
Sirius-Werft Plön | Workshop | 32 DS for 2 workshop

Now that the son is in charge they have modernized the outside look of the new boats, they look fantastic not only inside but also outside. The boats sail well and they have clients as far as Japan.

Sirius-Werft Plön | Versions of decks house | You have the choice

Another interesting point is the way they develop new boats. They work with the clients to collect suggestions on the shape and design of the boats. A truly interesting affair, between passionate clients and passionate builders.

Sirius-Werft Plön | 35 DS | Philosophy

Take a good look at their interesting site and if you find the boat interesting, please let me know, I can add some information.

Sirius-Werft Plön | english | Welcome at website of Sirius-Werft Plön

Regards

Paulo
 
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#3,854 · (Edited)
Jean-Pierre Dick new boat.

Remember this guy and this boat:



the guy that on the Vendee Globe sailed his Open 60, after having lost the keel, from offshore Brazil till France and even so made it in 4th place?

Well, it seems he liked to sail without a keel. This is his new baby:









The Program:

Grand Prix Guyader: from 3 to 6 May 2013/ Crew-manned race in Douarnenez

Armen Race: from 9 to 12 May 2013/360 mile offshore race starting at La Trinité-sur-Mer

Route des Princes: from 9 to 30 June 2013/ Crew-manned race round Europe/5 legs: Valence - Lisbon - Dublin - Plymouth - Morlaix

Transat Jacques Vabre: from 3 November 2013/Doublehanded transatlantic race between Le Havre and Itajai (Brazil)

He said:

"When I see this new boat, I feel great pride," says Dick. "This feeling reminds me of when my first Virbac-Paprec was launched in 2003. I love these transitions, these moments when you start out on a new adventure. Multihull sailing with a crew demands other skills. It is going to be a challenge and I will have to learn fast.

"The next days will be used to discover Virbac-Paprec 70. We are going to slowly raise the pressure by training regularly before the first race: the Grand Prix Guyader in Douarnenez. I am surrounded by very skilled people. I like them all. We are going to learn to know each other at sea, and to be strong together. It is my wish that this project be of high human value!"


 
#3,855 · (Edited)
18ft skiff sailing

Talking about speed sailing one of the boats that comes to mind is 18ft Skiff Well not that skiff is exactly a type of boat and the origins of the name are really curious (from Wikipedia):

""skiff" comes from the Middle English skif, which derives from the Old French esquif, which in turn derives from the Old Italian schifo, which is itself of Germanic origin (German Schiff). "Ship" comes from the Old English "scip", which has the same Germanic predecessor".

Eh! a popular name that circulated in many languages of old Europe and after all has the same origin as Ship:D.

The word exists in Portuguese almost in its original Latin form: Esquife. It means two things, on its original meaning, the small boat old sailing ships carried as a "dinghy" that also served to pull the ship when there was no wind and as a word for coffin, maybe because the shape is similar or maybe because on some old European cultures sailors and warriors were "buried" in boats.

Anyway the word today means also fast sailing boats and not only today:



Today is also a spectacular class race. Some recent movies that show that, I mean spectacle;) :





 
#3,856 ·
Skiffs

Thanks for that skiff action :D brings back fond memories of wild rides on breezy Saturday afternoons in Aussie 14 footers as they were called then - actually 14 foot skiffs (late 80's) and a real development class compared to the northern hemisphere 14's which were playing around with hull shapes, but thats about it.

Back then the Aussie 14's were twin trapeze, wide wings, retractable pole and 300 sq.ft asym kites - and staying upright put you in with a good chance of a podium finish ! Hulls were "professionally home built" and were transitioning from cedar core to foam and we all had fun experimenting in the garage with different lay-ups for test panels of E & S glass cloths, WEST & various foams - by todays standards very little reliable technical support.

By the mid 90's the 14's had converged globally and gone with the Aussie fast-is-fun version - really a precursor to the 49er generation.

Just writing this makes me want to go back & do it all over again :)

a current version below - doesn't look that different but probably 30% lighter now :

 
#3,857 ·
I know it's probably been posted before, and it's not quite new, but this one would be a blast to cruise long-term in:



It's the Paradox 60 (actually 63 feet).



"Peter, who likes talk about his boat and not himself, has been trying to build a cruising multihull for over a decade," Lewis explained. "Paradox was built from ORMA 60 parts, with the basis being the last Fuji 60, which was designed by Nigel Irens. But since Paradox is a cruising boat, her mast is just 85 feet instead of 100 feet, and she's 48 feet wide rather than 60 feet wide. But she only displaces eight tons. Compare that with the 18 tons of the catamaran Phaedo, our Voiles competition, which is the lightest and fastest Gunboat 66 ever built."

What's Paradox like inside, we asked, assuming she was completely stripped out. "She's beautiful!," responded Lewis. "The captain's quarters are under the cockpit, there are bunks in the floats, she has a dining room table, a stove and refrigeration, hot water, a nav station - the whole works. I first saw Paradox after the conclusion of the 2011 Caribbean 600 that I did on Phaedo, but I didn't pay much attention to her. Then last October, while on my way to pick up my kids near Waukegan, Maine, I saw this gray trimaran sailing at warp speed - 20 knots - on port tack up the coast. It was Peter and his captain, Olivier Vigoureux, who were headed to Camden to visit the best restaurant in Maine. I gave chase, but was never able to catch them. Intrigued by the tri and her owner, I emailed Olivier, but never heard back from him. So I emailed Nigel Irens, and through him met Peter and ended up down here racing on a Caribbean sailing holiday."

Paradox did her second Caribbean 600 this spring, as well as the Heineken, BVI Spring Regatta and the Volies, so she's been one of the more active racing boats in the Caribbean. "We're now all headed to Crossroads for detox," laughed Lewis. "Actually, I'm headed back to Maine, where I hope to get my peas planted. "

We hope to have a report from Aschenbrenner on Paradox in the near future.
Text from here:

Latitude 38 - 'Lectronic Latitude
 
#3,861 ·
Krysalid 42

Yes we have talked here about Paradox (some movies in regattas) but never had saw the interior and I really wanted to have a look at it: Well, it looks like my son's room:D

Some years ago a French shipyard had tried to produce a cruising trimaran that I found very interesting, a 42ft that looked like a smaller Multi 50 and that had the advantage of pulling their arms up, allowing it to pay a normal place in a marina. When the first boat was in production I talked to them to see if the boat could fit in my budget...but no way. Trimarans are just too expensive for me. And It looks not only for me because after making 2 or three boats they went out of business.

I don't think that they had fitted any with the originally intended cruising interior. They were used as race boats.

About two years after I talked with them I saw the first boat in and took some pictures:





The Shipyard was Auriga and the boat was called Krysalid 42. Some movies:



Krysalid 42' by Auriga Yacht from Loic Darras on Vimeo.

On this one we can see the boat winning over a Carbon Corsair 37.


P6190049 por vgludot

For somebody with the money for it, there is one for sale for about half the price it costed. It has almost no interior but that can be arranged and probably the price will also be lowered.

Second hand TRIMARAN 42 pieds AURIGA YACHT - Boat for sale - Bretagne - Morbihan - Vannes

Regards

Paulo
 
#3,859 ·
Just for the fun of it I made a search on Google images with Esquife and I could find very few images but I found two meaningful, one that sustain what you say regarding the derogatory meaning in Spanish and the other regarding the old Portuguese meaning, as a tender of a sailboat. The boats were long for allowing many rowers to give it the ability to move the mother ship without wind.





Regards

Paulo
 
#3,863 ·
Skiffs



Well, before he had invented it there where already plenty boats called skiff, unless he had invented it before the year 1000:D

Skiff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Skiffs were used as racing boats on the last century and the one before that. I guess you are not talking about these boats?







Or maybe you are. What Skiff was created by Archilbald W. Skiff and when?

Regards

Paulo
 
#3,865 ·
Yes that is an interesting video, a lot better that the previous one in what regards the interior. The interior could be a lot better without too much effort. The biggest problem is the lack of light and that would not be difficult to get without any prejudice to the boat performance.

I love the dinghy garage;)

Regards

Paulo
 
#3,870 ·
The Mayan, a Alden 1942 59ft centerboarder schooner:



Now you should be thinking what has this beautiful song has to do with it. Well, it was written about this boat by its owner and long time owner and certainly inspired by it. I am talking about David Crosby.



It is a shame he has to part with it but having had an old wooden boat I can imagine the maintenance costs :eek:

Beautiful boat anyway with a great interior. I hope someone with good taste will take good care of her.
 
#3,871 ·
Volvo Ocean race 2014/2015

I am really happy to know that I will see the race again in Lisboa that is one of the cities that becomes habitual as a port of call in the race. Brazil is the only country that will receive it in two cities, Recife and Itajay and that makes the Portuguese the dominant language on the ports of call:D

Most cities are chosen by its Maritime tradition and convenient localization and there are other great cities as Port of call: Alicante, Abu Dhabi, Aukland, Rhode Island, Lorient, Gothenburgh and Sanya.

The race will start in Spain (Alicante) on Oct. 4, 2014 and will finish in Sweden (Gothenburg) on June 27, 2015.

The race will be bigger than the last one by about 6000Nm.

Brazil has becoming a very hot spot in what regards World's sport. Between 2014 and 2016 they will host three of the biggest world sport world's events:
The football (soccer) World Cup in 2014, the Volvo ocean race in 2015 and the Olympics in 2016. Way to go, and congratulations to all Brazilians around.
 
#3,872 · (Edited)
Nacra 17

I believe this boat will bring a lot to sail and particularly to women while sailors. It is not completely innovative since it is based on their smaller and bigger sisters (F16 and 18) but the curved foil gives it a character of his own and makes it particularly fast and difficult to sail. The ones that tried the boat talk about "flying":D A great boat no doubt and racers are excited about it and that's a good sign:)

This boat was designed expressly by Morrelli & Melvin to meet the criteria that was demanded by ISAF for the new Olympic class: mixed multihull. the story as told by the designers:

"Since no existing design or class fit the ISAF specs, we decided to create an all-new design that is about 17 feet long, called the NACRA 17. Compared to an F16 class catamaran, it is 250mm longer, 100mm wider, has a taller mast and more sail area, and curved daggerboards. The curve boards also give an added dimension to the sailing".

The boat started to be made last year and the first images show a very fast, fun and demanding boat to sail. Besides that it is for a mixed crew so instead the boys instead of saying to the girls: "I am going to sail with my fiends" will start to say: "Won't you come and sail with me:D".

I expect this to be a very popular class and a spectacular one:





 
#3,873 · (Edited)
Flying Phantom project:

Talking about Flying, look at this baby:



and Franck Cammas trying it :



That's a modified F18. Not yet competitive but you never now. Some years ago they say that the Moth on foils was only a stunt and that would not be competitive, and look at them now.

I guess the problem here is that it is made to fly on the two foils. That's too much resistance. They have to fly on a single foil to diminish drag. An equilibrist act...but that's racing:D

Catamaran Racing, News & Design: Learning to Fly II: Flying Phantom Project

http://www.sail-innovation.com/
 
#3,874 ·
Allures 39.9 Interior

Here are some pics just posted by Allures of the 39.9 interior (hull no.1) - this is a big call by the yard in going to an "apartment style" design. I looked at some pics of the previous Allures 40 and am left feeling that I prefer the earlier style. From a practical point of view I don't like all the chamfered edges to the woodwork - with typical usage will just attract wear & tear faster than rounded edges. The saloon seating doesn't look that inviting either; I don't want to pre-judge too much as this design is near top of our list - so will reserve judgement until a physical inspection later in the year.




 
#3,877 · (Edited)
Re: Allures 39.9 Interior

Here are some pics just posted by Allures of the 39.9 interior (hull no.1) - this is a big call by the yard in going to an "apartment style" design. I looked at some pics of the previous Allures 40 and am left feeling that I prefer the earlier style. From a practical point of view I don't like all the chamfered edges to the woodwork - with typical usage will just attract wear & tear faster than rounded edges. The saloon seating doesn't look that inviting either; I don't want to pre-judge too much as this design is near top of our list - so will reserve judgement until a physical inspection later in the year.




I agree with you. One thing is modern looking other thing is quality design. the colors are wrong, the finish seems to have some problems specially on the saloon settees and that odd looking finish on the corners probably will be a cause for problems with age. Part of the problem as to do with the use of white and Black. Those are the most powerful "colors", You cannot use too many and they use too much white. Compare it with the use of the white on the 45:

Click visit 3D:

http://www.allures.fr/voilier.php?id=6

If you are interested in the boat let then know you are interested but don't like the interior and ask if the interior cannot be made on the same style of the 45. This is a prototype and they tried to innovate. I bet that the design of the interior looked great on the artists drawings. I have see it happen time over time, I mean people being mislead over a bad project with a great presentation. You have to be a professional to make the distinction between what is a nice drawing and a nice design.

I believe that they will be going to substitute or improve this design. It will happen sooner if they receive lots of complaints...and they are going to receive them, I am sure.

Regards

Paulo
 
#3,875 ·
Seascape 27 versus Saphire 27

If I was a Young guy these two boats were probably what I would have chose for racing and camping with the family.

Two very different boats in what regards design but both fit for fast racing and cruising. One very much French school the other very much Italian school. Both can pull their keels up (the Seascape swings it) having the advantages of deep keel boats and being able to join the river banks for camping, or have a nice pick nick. Both can be trailed.

I am not going to compare them directly. Someone had a genial idea: If you are interested just go to to the Lake Garda, have an wonderful week -end and sail test both boats. They have managed a pack with inexpensive hotel prices. that's what I would have done. Hell, I kind of feel tempted for that offer just for the fun of sailing those beauties. From 20 to 28 of this month, you have to book to be sure you have a place.

If you go there please post the report here;)

Seascape 27:









Saphire 27:











Saphire 27 - Slip and trail without a crane

Seascape

https://www.facebook.com/Seascap27

http://www.biehlmarin.com/mediapool/3/35906/data/Seascape_27/2x-stage2_ver6.pdf

http://www.saphireboats.com/system/files/71/2401fa01d8.pdf
 
#3,876 ·
Allures 39.9 Interior
Thanks for the update Sapwraia.
The open architecture or apartment style does seem appealing in many ways. Similar to RM, JPK… with open areas and large windows for a panoramic view of the outside , lots of light into the interior and invites people in to a more attractive and stylish design.
For a fast cruiser with live aboard possibilities on long voyages and the times when you are tied to a dock or mooring for extended periods of time, this could improve the lifestyle of young families and couples not familiar with the cold dark confined spaces covered with traditional classical teak down below.
Just my thought since I'm used to modern architecture and building techniques and after spending days on the rail and sleeping in pipe berths, this is a sight of fresh air!
 
#3,879 ·
E3, An interesting perspective and shows just what a personal thing this is; I've lived all my life in modern & minimalist houses with parents since the 60's, apartments and now a new ultra-mod house for us; so looking for something a bit cosier & welcoming in a yacht - but still needs to be very well designed & highly functional :)

What do you all think about the double vertical hull ports for in the saloon ? That styling feature works better on hulls over 50 foot IMHO, and would be a good test of the Allures semi-custom potential to request that port the same as the others i.e. one horizontal rectangle. Not quite as much deep blue panorama but enough and would accentuate the hull lines better ? Anyone up for some photoshop ? may have to wait till the weekend !

Paulo, I agree re early feedback to the yard and semi-custom potential - I like their progressive thinking but wonder if they're competing too hard with the "apartment interiors" of the mass manufacturers when most people who go for the Allures have probably already decided that the round bilge alum hull, swing keel & twin rudder are the critical requirements for which there is no real competition at this size (Ovni has chines)

These are all high quality problems of course :D

cheers
 
#3,878 ·
The 39 is a very nice boat for its size. Looking at the drawings do you think there is enough room to put a good strong dodger on it? The mainsail sheet and the two mainsail blocks are very close to the edge of the companionway hatch. I hope they could be moved bit more forward and still have a fair lead. The foil is like the ones on the Boreal, I wonder if there will be enough room under it for a wind vane. Ya I know the French do not believe in wind vanes only auto helms. But most going cruising will want both.

As an owner of a fairly new designed boat I'm always keeping my eye out for all the little things that may not make you happy when you go and pickup you new machine. Always keep an eye out and ask lots of questions to the builders and the designers.

The interior colors can always be changed.

Nice boat.
 
#3,880 ·
The 39 is a very nice boat for its size. Looking at the drawings do you think there is enough room to put a good strong dodger on it? The mainsail sheet and the two mainsail blocks are very close to the edge of the companionway hatch. I hope they could be moved bit more forward and still have a fair lead. Nice boat.
h2 - I see what you mean re dodger - compromises start appearing in unexpected places as LOA decreases ! These pics are all we have re dodger / mainsheet fixings .......

For hot climate sailing i wonder if they've designed a bimini from dodger to arch ....... it means you have to steer from the rails for fwd visibilty but would be a nice covered cockpit (assuming the dodger frame isn't too flimsy :rolleyes:



 
#3,888 · (Edited)
Lock Crowther Regatta

I never heard about this one, probably because it is raced on the other side of the world, but it looks like good fun to me:D:









I don't understand that Australian thing of not allowing the multihulls to compete in some races with monohulls (Sydney-Hobart for instance) or on this one, Monohulls not competing with multihulls. For me an offshore sail race should have all classes together, even if with different classifications. That makes it a big party shared by all that love offshore racing even when it is a a serious sail event. That smells to me like conservatism and in a country that is not very conservative, it is quite amazing.

For me, putting aside very top all professional races, offshore races should be like these were even guys in small boats can compete with bigger ones, multihulls and monohulls alike, professionals, good amateurs and not so good. Why not, the sea is big enough to all. Well a Laser is a bit as an exaggeration as an offshore boat:D, but on these ones there are plenty of rescue boats mixed in the race.









Fair play! The British were always good about it, at least regarding with others;)
 
#3,891 ·
Volvo Ocean Race 2014/2015

And the VOR is back, they say the "Toughest Sailing Race in the World, but after the Vendee I have my doubts:rolleyes:. anyway a great race and this time with a girl's team.

The presentation, the route and the Ports of call the new boat and the girls;):





















(could not find the videos for Alicante, Gotenburgh and Newport. If someone can please post them)



 
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