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Re: Bluewater Sailboat Question

If these are your goals,
"Ok so heres a little bit of detail about what my situation is. I am 28 yrs old and I was recently in a motorcycle accident that has ruined my shoulder and wrist which has made me unable to work. In less then a month or so i will be receiving my settlement. And a dream of mine is to sail the world (big dream i know) anyway ive been window shopping for a while and tbh i am a bit overwhelmed with the different types of sailboats that are 30'+. I'm looking to spend around 20k for a boat then make the boat self sufficient. like a wind generator, water maker, monitor wind vane, etc. Now my question for today is what would be a good boat to do this with. i would prefer if i had atleast a 11' beam that is roomy enough to sleep 5-6 comfortably, and one that would be blue water capable." And

"There will be 4 perms and ofc a couple weekenders. It will serve as a primary home for 4. To start out we will be running the carribean for a while (since i live in florida) till we are all comfortable with the tasks that are needed on the ship and then i plan on going thro the panama and heading out into the southern ocean towards the Indonesian islands. this is why a bluewater boat is needed imo. "

Then none of these make any sense at all:
"New York 36, Santana 34, Santana 30, Schock 35 "

In reality these boats are okay for their purpose and were proposed by a sailboat maunfacturer pushing his company's wares...but which are by no stretch of the imagination even vaguely intended for what you are proposing to do. Faced with your objectives it seems like you should have a more focused list of criteria than you appear to have assembled.

For example, the traditional rule of thumb for distance voyaging is that the boat should have somewhere between 5,500 lbs and 11,000 lbs of displacement per person, with the upper end of the limit creeping up as better hardware and the desire for more space has prevailed. This displacement per crewman was generally a compromise between carrying enough supplies and consumables and what could be easily managed by the crew. That would suggest a boat with a displacement between 22,000 lbs 44,000 lbs. Boats with that kind displacement in sound and decent condition would be nearly impossible to locate within your $20,000 budget.

Similarly, you will need adequate tankage, storage, ground tackle handling. You will need good seaberths, an offshore suitable galley and head, and a pretty robust boat to take the kind of use and abuse that distance cruising implies. Nice as they are to have as a liveaboard, showers really do not make sense on an small distance cruiser (use too much water and take up too much space)

There was a time when there were older boats with suitable offshore designs that could be purchased moderately cheaply in good solid condition. But over time this stock of older boats have aged and in may cases become effectively worn out. Its is not that I am saying that the boat as a whole has worn out, but more that slowly, one by one, key components reach the end of their useful lifespan for the rigous environment of distance cruising and offshore.

It goes without saying that a boat consists of a broad collection of parts. Over time the components of rigs and spars, chainplates, bulkhead attachements, engine mounts, rudder and rudder posts and keel bolts or keel encapsulation, deck hardware, sails, galley components, plumbing, electrical systems, electronics, deck cores, slowly wear out.

It may be possible to cheaply buy one of these older offshore capable boats and fix it up, and otherwise adapt it to your needs, but as these boats have become progressively worn out, the costs of restoring and updating will potentially exceed the purchase price of the boat several times over.

The other issue is that vast majority of yachts built in fiberglass era were conceived as coastal cruisers or racer-cruisers. When you talk about doing long distance passage making, ideally the hull and rig and structure should be of a design conceived for offshore use. As a result there are far fewer choices out there in the remaining pool of older boats. So you are looking for that needle in the haystack, that grossly underpriced, offshore capable, distance cruiser, capable of supporting 4 people full time.

My point is not to say that what you want is hopeless. My point is to suggest that you more realistically define your goals, more realistically define your budget, and then develop a plan to accomplish your goals, including meeting your budget.


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