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#1 ·
I have a 40.5 hunter legend with a 35lb delta as main anchor which works just fine. am looking for a good spare anchor to use as stern or emergency as needed. I cruise in the pacific northwest which has a great variety of bottoms. I was thinking Bruce? any suggestions?
 
#2 ·
A lot of us use bruce equals here in puget sound frankly. Including myself with very good success. I have a 7.5KG lewmar version for my Jeanneau that is about on par with an H28.5 that a friend has near me.

Depending upon the real usage, I could see a 10KG/22 lb one for a stern, light lunch/low wind hook as an option. Some would go/recomend a danforth of some sort, as they work better in mud/fine soil bottoms. Be it a galvinized or say a foretress out of aluminum. The fortress will weigh about half for a given size anchor, but also cost you about double!

I just bought a 9lb Delta as my race anchor. Worked well the other day in some 7-12 knot winds with 12-15" waves in south edmonds.

Reality is, there is not a better or best, only what will actually work bet for you, depending upon the cnditions you need said 2nd anchor to work in.

marty
 
#3 ·
I used a 27# HT Danforth as a 2nd anchor while cruising the PNW. Mounts easy enough on the back rail too as a stern anchor.
 
#4 ·
Can I suggest you review some of the older anchoring posts to learn what the community thinks about anchor choice. I personally think Mantus would be an ideal fit. We claim that Mantus provides the most reliable set of any anchor on the market, bc of the ear tabs it can be stored like a Danforth of the pulpit. It will definitely give you a more reliable set than the Danforth. There is quiet a bit of information on the Mantus in this forum but also you can visit our website TEST VIEOS

Disclaimer of-course I represent Mantus Anchors, but I have no reservations in recommending it as a fellow cruiser.

Also there is a sale for Sailnet members running riht now, 25% Discount....
Discount CODE: SAILNET (offer expires 09/16 I believe)
 
#5 ·
My primary on an 11,000# displacement boat is a 33# Rocna on all chain rode on the roller. Hanging from he bow pulpit is a 12# Fortress on mostly braided line, ready to quick deploy or be used as a lunch hook.

The Fortess is held in place in a vertical bracket mostly by gravity. A small line keeps its from bouncing out. Can be in the water in about 5 seconds. The rode can be rund to a stern cleat if needed.

I'd go light weight for a secondary.
 
#7 · (Edited)
I know this will open a whole Pandorras Box, but I am sure I am not the only person with this observation/ question. Maybe this should be a seperate thread

I am bringing particular attention to this because of the recent spade of Mantus posts which appear to be just advertisement for the sale of their product.. They may have a good product, not sure. Their literature is not unlike the liturature presented by the other two major " new anchors" over the last few years.

Is it really appropriate for sponsoring members of Sailnet to reply to threads in a blatent advertisement of their products. Is this what we have come to? So now the advice of normal everyday sailors gets thrown in with people with special interests in making money off of the rest of us. Where are we drawing the line here? Are we saying pay enough money to sponsor Sailnet and we you will be allowed to advertise you product and shill for it in the various posted threads. Dont pay the money to Sailnet and if you use the forums to promote your product then you will be censored. Is this the direction we are going?

Understand that there is no independent testing of these products or the business practices of these companies.

I am asking the moderators to define when it is appropriate for a business, individual . company to promote their own financial self interests on here. Is it enough to make a statement that they have interest in the company? Is it defined by paying homage to Sailnet financially, is that what gets you in and makes it appropriate. Can you promote a book that you have written that you will benefit from financially? Can you promote a particular brand? Can you promote a particular repair shop, canvas maker, engine brand, line clutch, sails or sail loft? Can you promote a marina, surveyor, production line of sailboat? Will people who have had problems with the particular company be allowed to post on here against the company without fear of censorship, or does the advertising dollar the company pays to Sailnet give them immunity from people making negative comments about their products.? Will the readers of threads with negative comments about Sailnet advertisors be muzzled? Some of us still remember the Tartan debacle. This now goes to much more, now the threat of a lawsuit. This goes to credability.

It is one thing when people have used the products and make an INDEPENDENT evaluation and recommendations like Mainesail has with the anchors and various other products. He doesnt make money on them. It is another when the posters posts are being answered by the manufacturers in and effor to blatently make money. This is a dangerous direction to go. Credibility can/ will eventually be determined on here by " paid advertisements and threads. Eventually that will lead to no credibility except to the highest bidder.

This is a slippery slope allowing companies to post with our comments when their posts are nothing but blatent advertisements of their product. This has nothing to do with them answering a technical question ( which could be done in a PM)or particular issue.

I have found the continued posting of the Mantus company in almost all threads concerning anchors to be disconcerting and an obvious attempt of their company to promote their brand. Again they may have the best product since the invention of the light bulb.

Dave
 
#9 ·
I know this will open a whole Pandorras Box, but I am sure I am not the only person with this observation/ question. Maybe this should be a seperate thread

Dave
Dave, I am sorry our participation in the forum rubbed you the wrong way. I was hoping that our comments were useful to Sailnet members, furthered the discussion and taken as nothing more as manufacturers thoughts on things, always with a disclaimer. I thought we were in-line with other anchor manufacturers like Rocna, Fortress who routinely participate in anchor discussions. In any case I apologize to SAILNETTERS if our presence on the forum is not perceived as useful or is over-the-top ;)
Greg
 
#8 ·
For my spare anchor, where storage is an issue, I bought a Mantus 35 lb. anchor because it it can be disassembled in about 4+ minutes for storage as three compact, relatively flat components with the bolted construction. It goes together and comes apart easily with simple tools. Just in case that I fumble one of the bolts or nuts, I bought a couple of spare bolts that I keep with the anchor components. In my case, I store the anchor in the cockpit storage locker and the cockpit floor gives a convenient, flat, contained area for assembly and disassembly. Fortress also can be disassembled and stored in like manner. Which of these two one selects would depend in part whether you want a refined Danforth type or one of the new generation "spade" type anchors. It would seem that choice might be dictated in part by the other anchors that you have in inventory to give you a variety for a variety of bottoms.
 
#10 ·
Greg,

I no way were my comments directed to the effectiveness of your product, nor did I find them offensive in nature of any way. My comments were really to the SailNet moderatorors as to the limits that people be allowed to self promote, or promote products on the site. I have seen censorship of others by the mods when posters were promoting their business and/ or products in the past. I was merely trying to ascertain what the rules are.

Some of My questions really go to them

Are anchor manufacturers allowed to post here and promote their anchors sales etc, or do they have to sponsor SailNet with royalties?

Are book writers allowed to promote their books here?

Can marinas, surveyors, canvas makers, etc allowed to answer posts which have relevance to their niche as long as they note who they really are ? Or is this entitlement only allowed to those on the SailNet vendor list who pay them?

Just asking what the playing field looks like here. Are the posters comments true feelings of sailors who are using these products, or are the comments interspersed with " sales pitches and marketing facts" from representatives of companies trying to make money on us. I have no problem either way, just want to know what are the parameters here. I have seen others censored because they represent special interests, or because they presented views which may have gotten SailNet sued, but then others who are allowed to post their products like they are the average "joe sailor" Out on weekends/ cruising like the rest of us.

Greg, this is not about you or your company, but a larger question

Dave
 
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I appreciate the fact that he has actually disclosed his identity and commercial interests.

The really annoying posters are the undisclosed commercial participants - the social media marketing reps whose mission is to create a commercial for their product or service by starting an asinine thread to generate market interest.

The posters are initially difficult to distinguish from the alter ego/sock puppet members in the sense that they both have no verifiable information about their identity - they use a stock photo for their avatar, no real photos of boats, family, sailing, etc., no identifiable boat name or location. Whereas the alter ego/sock puppet members exist to allow someone to post anonymously what they do not want associated with themselves, the undisclosed social media marketing reps are revealed by their stupid posts that foster a commercial for whatever they are selling.

Not that there is anything that can be done about except to frustrate their purpose.

By the way "What three things do you need to take sailing?"

"What is the best way to connect to the internet while offshore?"

"Does anyone recommend a charter company in St. John's, U.S.V.I?"

"Is anyone offering sailing lessons in Puerto Rico?"
 
#12 ·
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James,

I agree to some extent. So what you are saying is that as long as they identify themselves it is ok.

So whenever we have discussions concerning sails, it would be ok if the reps and sales lofts from North, Quantum, Rolly Tasker, Ullman etc. Post their options and alt the same time let us know of their sales promotions. Like the mantus post has 25% off for sailneters.

We could all potentially better informed with this kind of information.
 
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J
So whenever we have discussions concerning sails, it would be ok if the reps and sales lofts from North, Quantum, Rolly Tasker, Ullman etc. Post their options and alt the same time let us know of their sales promotions.
BTW, what happened to that "independent" guy who kept pushing the Quantum loft in California? Some of these types think that we are stupid.
 
#13 · (Edited)
To me personally, it devalues a brand to keep plugging it in a forum. But I don't have an issue as long as it's overt and reasonable - I am just cognizant of the source and, unless there is some true value in the post, I regard it like a sales brochure.

The posts that I find irritating are the covert (sometimes difficult to tell) and the irrelevant ("what cruiser should I buy" - "well our daysailer would suit you fine" - I exaggerate but not by much).

It's the internet and you have to look at the source. I'd like less commercialism but I'm not holding my breath.

As for the anchor question - There a lot of opinions out there. Read the anchor threads and comparison articles and go one size bigger than you think you want. Anybody want to talk about guns?

Edit: looks like James said much of the same while I was typing.
 
#15 ·
I'm "fine" if various manufacturers and or representatives chime in here with their opinions and thoughts, as long as 1) they identify themselves as such, and 2) keep their "salesmanship" brief, polite, honest, and respectful of the competitors. In fact, I think its kind of nice to know that there are real people behind some of these products . . . not just an offshore mega-company in a foreign speaking land.

Heck if one of these guys is offering a 'real' bargain/sale to us sailnet members, I want to know about it!
 
#17 ·
Without sponsors we wouldn’t have free access to this wealth of information. I for one am thankful that they are willing to pick up the tab and do think that entitles them to a certain amount of direct interaction on the board. Remember that by putting themselves out there they also open themselves up to a lot of scrutiny. If sponsor X doesn’t conduct business in a straightforward and ethical manor or puts out an inferior product or service it won’t’ take long before the rest of us know about it. Some of them even know a thing or two about the types of products they are selling.
No regarding the original posting: I also live in the PNW and while I haven’t done much sailing I have done a reasonable amount of fishing in the rivers and ocean. There are places in the mid-Columbia river which have a rocky bottom. The guys who frequent those areas have lost enough anchors that they developed what I have heard referred to as the Columbia River anchor which is used very extensively by those fishing below Bonneville dam. They are heavier than those mentioned above so may not be applicable but just though I would mention it. I can't attach any links but you could google columbia river anchor system if your so inclined.

BR,

Rob
 
#18 ·
As long as a poster fully discloses their affiliation, I'm okay hearing their point of view. I just take it in context.

I would prefer not to see repeated discount sales offers within the threads, although, Sailnet's bills must be paid. If they are okay with it, I don't feel I have much say. They would not be the only posts I skip by. If it became so rampant that I found it hard to get to entertaining content, I would be less inclined to come here. Hopefully SN considers that in developing their policy.
 
#19 · (Edited)
Mantus Anchors not only is a SailNet Advertiser but they have also offered a series of discounts for SailNet members which we also see as benefitting SailNet as a whole. Greg has also been providing useful and seemingly fair minded commentary. While Greg has clearly been advocating for the Mantus Product he has provided information on other issues, and also seems to treat his competition fairly, for example acknowleging having a fortress as a back up mud anchor.
 
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Thank you for clarifying. No need to keep repeating to me that Mantus is in fact a PAID contributed to SailNet. That was obvious from my first posting that I knew this. Any comments about Mantus treating the competition fairly is very subjective, and possibly self serving as I doubt any person who is the administration of SailNet will go against one of the corportate sponsors who pays the bills. You guys know where your bread is buttered.



So the rules are that if you contribute financially to SailNet you get a clear advantage in your postings a nd are permitted to advertise within them.

If you are not a financial donor to SailNet, but identify yourself as merchant or have a financial interest In the topic you are speaking on are you still allowed to comment without restrictive censorship?

So who are merchants who contribute to SailNet? For complete transparency is there a directory of contributors a reader can go to find who here actually HAS the competitive advantage and therefore access to readers? As some have stated it isn't always obvious by their names or disclaimers. Lastly and also importantly, how much of our prsonal as well as demograpgic information, demographics etc is shared with these/ which manufacturers.

Dave
 
#21 ·
Chef,

This is all supposed to be casual entertainment. I try not to take much of it very seriously, vendor claimed or otherwise. I just like escaping mentally into sailing. When I pick up a good idea, andni often do, I always check it out independently anyway.

I don't much care how SN runs their hotel, I'm just having a drink with like mind people in the lobby and watching the world go by. I forget what we said half the time.
 
#22 ·
This is all supposed to be casual entertainment. I try not to take much of it very seriously, vendor claimed or otherwise. I just like escaping mentally into sailing. When I pick up a good idea, andni often do, I always check it out independently anyway. -Minniewaska
Minnie, I respect your comment and opinions. I recognize that your outlook is shared by others also.

In our integrated society where ideas and free speech abound mine is but one of many. While I respect your opnion not to get to serious about this internet thing, I am sure that you would respect mine as you have in the past. There are others I am sure who have similar questions. The fact that I am asking these questions does not take away from my passion for sailing or make me too serious about this as you may be stating.

In my three questions, one of them is that I would like to know what is happening to my information on this site, a question which many people ask in todays world. Not unreasonable a questions and certainly not to serious of one.

We still need to have that margarita together. Sorry you wont be down this year for the sailboat show in Annapolis. Guess it may have to wait till we come up north again during next years long Island sound vacaction.

Dave
 
#25 ·
To the OP:

I think there are several good choices depending on your specific needs. For starters, since it's a stern anchor/backup anchor I would think that storage would be an issue. Do you have a stern roller or pulpit to hang it off? Will it permanently mounted, ready to deploy off the stern? Will you be getting it out of the lazarette locker and manhandling it into a dinghy to kedge out? All of these issues should help you narrow down the field of anchors that will work well for you.

My experience and disclaimers: I'm a big fan of the genuine Bruce and don't believe in cheap Lewmar copies. I've used the Fortress and Bruce extensively in the PNW as well. I also have a Mantus anchor (primary) that was given to me at a pro-deal discount that I plan to test shortly.

I would say the Bruce would work very well for you if you have a stern roller and will be stowing it there permanently. It's a great anchor for the PNW but it's awkward to move around and difficult to stow unless on a roller.

The Fortress is probably the best choice because it is the lightest, stows well on a pulpit or in a locker, and works well in the sand/mud that covers 95%+ of the PNW. It's also designed to only need 6' of chain which is usually a plus on the auxiliary anchors. The main failing of the fortress is that it might not reset if pulled from a different direction but this is very unlikely if used as a stern anchor.

Another good choice is the Manus. Assuming it is as good as the other next gen anchors Spade/Rocna/Manson it has the advantage over the other three of being able to be disassembled for storage.

My secondarym kedge and my stern anchors are Fortress anchors for the reasons stated above.

MedSailor
 
#26 · (Edited by Moderator)
This really relates to the “Let's talk about anchors some more” thread on the Seamanship forum but as the issue is being discussed here, this is where I thought I would post.

It makes me suspicious when I see a new member, Alternate Latitude, who has one post, praising Mantus, especially when there are certain things within that post that don't quite sound "right" … so, as I can’t go sailing right now, I though I’d look a little closer.

S S of Alternate Latitude used to own of a medical equipment supply company.
Greg is a physician.

One of S S business addresses is Seabrook, TX 77586
Mantus address is PO Box 1109, Seabrook, TX 77586 (BTW it always makes me nervous when a commercial entity only uses a PO Box as an address).

I’m also a bit curious about red.sky. Joined Sailnet – 3 Mantus posts & 1 Mantus “like” - hasn’t posted since. Races in Galviston Bay and lists himself as a NASA Engineer. Guess where NASA’s Johnson Space Center is. Anyone guess Seabrook, TX? He’s been lurking so I wonder if he’ll post something else now I’ve drawn attention to him.

Hmmmmm!! Well, maybe it’s all just coincidence. What do you think?

And I also remembered something else…
From this forum: “We are going to offer a new promotion 25% off any anchor you buy for the next month only for SAILNET members.”

But at that time there was an offer already available and active on another forum: “Dear members of the ******** Forum, Mantus Anchors is offering 25% off all our anchors for members of this forum”

Hardly criminal but “only for SAILNET members” is somewhat disingenuous, don’t you think?

Opinions? Am I completely off base?

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#30 · (Edited by Moderator)
This really relates to the "Let's talk about anchors some more" thread on the Seamanship forum but as the issue is being discussed here, this is where I thought I would post.

It makes me suspicious when I see a new member, Alternate Latitude, who has one post, praising Mantus, especially when there are certain things within that post that don't quite sound "right" … so, as I can't go sailing right now, I though I'd look a little closer.

S S of Alternate Latitude used to own of a medical equipment supply company.
Greg is a physician.
One of S S business addresses is Seabrook, TX 77586
Mantus address is PO Box 1109, Seabrook, TX 77586 (BTW it always makes me nervous when a commercial entity only uses a PO Box as an address).

I'm also a bit curious about red.sky. Joined Sailnet - 3 Mantus posts & 1 Mantus "like" - hasn't posted since. Races in Galviston Bay and lists himself as a NASA Engineer. Guess where NASA's Johnson Space Center is. Anyone guess Seabrook, TX? He's been lurking so I wonder if he'll post something else now I've drawn attention to him.

Hmmmmm!! Well, maybe it's all just coincidence. What do you think?

And I also remembered something else…
From this forum: "We are going to offer a new promotion 25% off any anchor you buy for the next month only for SAILNET members."

But at that time there was an offer already available and active on another forum: "Dear members of the ******** Forum, Mantus Anchors is offering 25% off all our anchors for members of this forum"

Hardly criminal but "only for SAILNET members" is somewhat disingenuous, don't you think?

Opinions? Am I completely off base?
S S is a customer that wanted to help out and when he asked how he can help I suggested that we had some success with SAILNET and if he could write something on the forum I would appreciate it, the fact that he joined just to do that, well I think I will send him a gift ;)
He is actually a really cool captain with a newly outfitted Catamaran Voyager 44. He is looking for crew to take the boat to the BVI if any one is interested.

Red Sky is an engineer at NASA, its actually a "SHE" ;) who does consulting for Mantus and I disclosed it on Sailnet. See My posts about the bolts.

The first Deal we posted was "get the next size up for the price of this one"

After it expired we offered 25% off for one month only. We gave this offer to the Cruisers Forum as well. We were trying to get movement in the forums because its one of the few venues available to us for advertisement.

I hope this answers all the points....

Guys we have nothing to hide and we don't play dirty.....
We are a small privately owned company, I am an Emergency medicine doctor by trade and make my living working my day job, actually have to get up in 4 hours.
Anchor design was a hobby, I like solving puzzles and I wanted to make an anchor that has better setting ability than what's out there.
I am not here to full anyone, I just believe in this baby that's all.
You guys enjoy it out there and don't take life to seriously......!
BTW SAILNET is a great community and so far it has been a pleasure dealing with you guys! In fact this forum is where this company got its start!!!!
So thank you
Greg

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#27 ·
Welcome to the brave new world. Advertising has is going to find its way to your front door no matter what.

It was just easier to tell that is was an ad before and we knew to assume it was exaggeration or paid testimonial. How much does the guy get that says he loves his adult diapers on TV?
 
#28 ·
Geoff54,

Thanks for yor research. Beginning to sound more and more suspicious if what you printed can be confirmed. I remember another anchor being vilified here for misrepresenting facts and themselves, which certainly was sped along by the companies arrogant main poster it's president. He was confrontational.

Now obviously these posters have learned from that mistake and a much better sweet talking and not making negative references as of yet bout their competitors so they have become ok in a lot of people's books.

I ask the mods again....has this company been checked out to see if it and it's claims re legit or are we TS king they are at face value because they are a paying advertiser ?

Secondly I am asking what,how much and who our information is shared with, and is it shared with paid advertisers on SailNet

Dave
 
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