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Re: The Emotions Over The Bounty Tragedy


You are the first logical measured person I have seen in this so far with the experience in incidents like this to post. I do not think that anyone on here feels the Captain was without fault in this.

I don't get upset about the uninformed things I see posted about events such as this. Thinking about how things like this happen is important and can make everyone safer if they realize that the same decision making dynamics are relevant to a fair summer day on Long Island Sound-.Roger Long
So true...good point

I have a number of questions which I feel you may be the only one here has the real qualifications to answer. Understand I also take at face value you are who you have stated after all this is a social media site. Your insight will help educate me and probably a few others on here.

Could you briefly explain how an investigation of an incident proceeds?
Who formally investigates?
What are some of the questions they may be asking?
What safegaurds are in place to prevent a rush to judgement on causation?
Does the CG do a good job of investigating incident such as this? If not who should.
How long would it take ( roughly) for an initial report assuming no more immediate
danger for like vessels?
Why continue with the investigation if it is all the Captains responsibility in your mind/
Who would you ask to testify assuming a formal investigation?
What credence would you put on the interview with the Captain stating his love of
chasing hurricanes?
What safegaurds are in place to challenge and investigate situations similar to this
when a captain takes a vessel out in unsafe condtions. Would this investigation take
place even if the Bounty had made it safely to Florida? What/ who triggers this.

In a situation like this where you personally as well as many the rest of us feel the
captain has obvious responsibilty, but and that is different from fault even
though he automatically assumes responsibility because of his position. How do you
determine fault.

What I mean by this I have to use an accident in an airline crash as an example. The captain who flies it has the ultimate responsibility of the plane as you stated. Assumed responsibility of the plane when he took the controls and took off in a thunderstorm with vivid lightening. Initially it appeared to observers the plane was struck by lightening and exploded. One of the causitive factors of the actual crash/ explosion on the plane is traced back to falsified maintainence records on replacement of wiresin the fuel tank which was the direct cause of the explosion. Where does this enter into you investigation.

Note: I am not saying here that this exonerates the Captain of the Bounty for leaving port . My question revolves around what happens or how is contributory factors are found.

Are they released immediately or do we wait for the entire investigation to conclude. If you were on the investigating board and you found that maintainence was falsified and contributed to the flooding for a fact, would you release the knowledge immediatey as you found it or would you withold it. If you would withold it...why?

Do you think that the advent in the last few years of the explosion of the instant social media sites can contribute or pressure investigators to missing vital factors?

As for the position of respect for the families and avoiding further pain, the primary burden of responsibility the captain carried on his shoulders was bringing himself and crew back. An asteroid did not fall on this vessel. The families' pain grows out of the decisions made by her master. I doubt any of the families are reading these forums and the idea that what we say here could be significant in the enormous pain and loss they are now experiencing I think is inflation of our importance.- Roger Long
In my case it is not about the respect for the family but the rush to judgement which could possibly cloud or cause the investigation to miss important pertinant causation which has caused the angst in me.

There can be no question, however, that, if the captain had elected to stay in New London, everyone would be alive today
Thats an obvious statement. That doesnt insure that they would have died the next time they went out in 30 knott winds as we dont know what specifically caused the ship to founder. Dont you think it is important to find that out also, or is it enough to just find the Captain at fault.

Personally going to the original premise of this thread by Julie, any emotional response I felt was directed at the rush to judgement as well as the cacophony of inaccurate posts by others taking thier own opinions and posting them as facts. I feel they may cloud or impede an accurate investigation.

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