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Re: Production boats- justified bias?

Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post

Originally Posted by ShoalFinder View Post
Something I've been wondering about which this thread hasn't covered...

What about livability? Of course, the best go-anywhere boat from an engineering standpoint would have no windows and be built like a tank. (Can't leak if there are no openings to the weather or sea.) But when we step away from the theoretical, we have to have a boat that someone can actually stand to be on, and God forbid, possibly enjoy sailing.

My question is about the climate you intend to sail. If I were in the extreme North or South where the weather is horrible and cold, I want the best weatherproof shelter I can find. However, between those latitudes where the majority of humanity lives and thrives- it gets hot and humid. Weatherproof also means breeze-proof.

I see a lot of boat with almost zero ventilation. While this would be vastly superior for seaworthiness, can anyone stand to go below during the daytime?

Where would you trade some inherent safety for livability, design-wise?

I love the general design of the Endeavors / Irwins I see for sale. Lots of opening ports for ventilation, and open cabins for air circulation. Obviously not the boat one would feel most secure in the Roaring 40s, but likewise I cannot imagine spending time in the Caribbean or even the Southern US, in a boat without a lot of opening ports.

I lived two years in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba working tugboats. Sleeping at night went like this: Lie in bed sweltering. Wait ten minutes for your sweat to completely soak your bedding so that you are laying in a sopping sponge of your own sweat. Once completely wet, evaporation would begin to cool you off enough to sleep.

I don't care to live like that anymore. So what desgin factors are you guys willing to compromise perfection in order to have a boat you want to be on?
Another great point. And another reason that there is absolutely no one-size-fits-all solution.

Nothing wrong with picture long as they don't leak.
Well, that's a mighty big "IF"...

For ShoalFinder, it's a mistaken assumption that to believe "liveability" is not a primary consideration in a voyaging boat... There is an entire chapter dedicated to the subject of Ventilation in the source I repeatedly refer to in these discussions, DESIRABLE AND UNDESIRABLE CHARACTERISTICS OF OFFSHORE YACHTS, after all...

Unfortunately, this is another area where many American production boats fall well short of the mark... With their almost exclusive use of forward-opening hatches, and rarity of those "outmoded" Dorade vents, many of today's production boats need to be buttoned up pretty tight, in any conditions where spray might be coming aboard... With an aft-facing main hatch, I can leave mine open and drawing in all but the worst of weather...

And, I've yet to see a more practical and elegant solution to ventilation offshore than Rod Stephen's old-fashioned Dorade vent, and yet they seem to be increasingly rare on today's modern boats...

Wanna know what the solution to ventilation on the Trintella 50 was in the tropics, when water was coming aboard?

Fire up the generator, and run the AC... It's amazing how many boats I see nowadays, where that seems to be the approach to "climate control"...

Now, don't get me started on opening ports in some of those sexy, ridiculously sloped cabin sides, that need to be closed back up for every passing rain shower... (grin) I'll take one of these clunky, hopelessly passe' vertical deckhouses, any day...

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