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Re: Many cruisers with documented vessels can not enter FL legally.

Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
Florida has a NG program, but in every other state there is a domestic state force which is seconded into the NG. The NG program usually provides federal training, finding, and equipment to the state militias in exchange for the ability to have them seconded to federal service on request, and usually there is a "home guard" and/or "state guard" component who are also exempted from NG service, so they can remain home to defend their state. When a state's NG forces are federalized, they become active federal militia who are seconded to the regular military, an odd little dance of legalities which is codified under a series of laws that even recently aren't all available on the web, you have to go searching in repository/law libraries to dig them up.

Not in Florida. In Florida the NG has a special program under federal authority and order. In every other state, there is a military or paramilitary force under state control, which can be called up as a state force, or federalized under the NG program. If you are a citizen of any other state (usually a male citizen between ~18~45) you are in fact obligated to serve when called. In Florida? Nope, Spain didn't have any legacy of militia service. That came from the English kings.

Technically, there's both a "National Guard of the US" and a "NG" or some such intentionally confusing nomenclature to go along with that all. Part of the two-step to ensure that NG troops think they are regular Army under Army command with no split loyalties. I keep getting the bits confused--which is exactly what Uncle Sam wants. The later Mr. Lincoln made sure that "militia" would be a dirty word forever after they won the Civil War.
It can be confusing, mostly because the term "National Guard" refers to the state military, not the "national" one.

Each states "National Guard" is under the authority of that states government, while the US Army (and navy, af...) and their respective Reserve components are under the federal government.

The states "National Guard" are trained at federal military installations just like regular US army (navy, etc) folks, and the units can be called up by the federal government if needed.

The Florida National Guard is just like any other state's National Guard, it is the military force that reports to the state government. nothing different.

You may be thinking of the "State Defense Force" which some states maintain in the event the National Guard is federalized, so that someone is around to do the job that the National Guard did. Florida is not unique in not bothering to maintain a standing State Defense Force, as most states dont bother. These forces are not "seconded into the NG" and cannot be federalized, and are not a replacement for military service in the event of a federal draft.

A good description of how this works can be found here:

The mudane, not unique status of the Florida National Guard is described here:

And for the big picture:

Sorry to have grabed onto a tangental conversation thread here.

Last edited by groggy; 01-24-2013 at 02:14 AM.
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