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Re: Interesting Sailboats

Originally Posted by EricKLYC View Post

But the system we have does not involve a quick release type of tensioner.
The textile (12 mm dyneema) inner forestay has a looped end that connects with a rope and tackle fitted on the bulkhead in the anchor/sail locker/crash box. This tackled rope comes back on the foredeck and first runs through a clutch (remote controlled from the cockpit with an thin line) to the piano, to be tensioned by the winch on the coachroof but without this enormous tension kept between the clutch on the foredeck and the piano in the cockpit.

Somewhat complicated to explain but quite straightforward to use. The main issue is: tackle + winch allow quite a lot of tension on the inner forestay, which I think is important when things get though.

... you will see the (temporary) forestay, the tensioning rope and the remote controlled clutches (the second one is used to give the same amount of tension to the bowsprit). Then just imagine all these lines coming back to the piano.
Very curious system. I never had seen anything similar.

I see the clutch, the one with a blue line that goes to a little hole and then to the tackle (inside the anchor locker). But I see also a white line coming out of the hole. What it is for?

I see also a plastic handle and a loop on the stay. I thought that it was a direct system connection, from the blue line to the stay, but then what is that blue loop on the stay and the handle what role plays in the system?

Originally Posted by EricKLYC View Post

Our sail has regular metal clips, Paulo. Given the conditions within the staysail is used, I think this is the best solution.
Yes, no doubt a clip is the best system but I asked if they were made of metal because Comar sailmaker that is specialized in high tech sails and solutions was very adamant about not using metal clips on a textile stay. I had saw some textile clips but at very high prices (about 50 euros each) so I am in the process of making them for my sail. I have alredy the wood buttons that come from China and I am in the phase of buyng 6mm dyneema rope to do the lops. Something like this:

Can you talk with the guys from Pogo and their sailmaker to confirm what Comar sailmaker had said to me regarding metal clips to be inappropriate for a textile stay?

Originally Posted by EricKLYC View Post
Yes, the staysail has a reef. Although we never used it yet , I think it would be a pity not to provide this when things go really bad. But having to go out there and reef this sail is one of my favorite nightmares .
Regarding your favorite nightmare I have good news to you. Have a look:

You can pull the reefing line from the cockpit with that system.

Originally Posted by EricKLYC View Post
Anyway, as soon as we expect strong and contrary winds, we rig the inner forestay and the staysail in its bag ready for use. Beforehand and preferably at port. Because whatever the configuration, it’s always a heavy sail to bring forward and a hell of a job to rig the whole thing on a rocking foredeck .
But not permanently, because the inner forestay is a real pain in the (BEEP!) to tack the solent in normal conditions .
Yes that is the same problem in what regards rigging. Like in your boat my removable stay is pretty forward and it would make difficult tacking.

I plan to have it permanently mounted if I went out already with strong winds and in that case that is the sail I am going to hoist. If strong winds are a possibility I plan to have the sail already on deck, forward, attached to the life lines on a long bag similar to the one you have. Only if strong winds appear I will go forward, mount the stay and clip the sail in it. I guess it would gave some work but with the boat sailing with a reefed main that should not be very hard.

I guess that Jib without the reef would be good for 30/35 K wind. In fact the boat works very well with only that sail and just a bit of main or no main at all. I guess that with the reefed staysail as only sail the boat would be good for 40/45 winds. More than that I would have to put the storm sail. That should not come as a surprise and in that case I will have the Jib mounted in the stay and on the lifelines inside the long bag, ready to clip, the storm sail.

Even so it would be more difficult than cliping the jib because I would have to put the Jib on the forward sail locker and only then I would be able to clip the storm sail. I don't want to think what would be like if I had not a sail locker just in the right place. It would be very difficult to bring that big sail (the jib) to the boat interior, at least alone.

I guess this year I am going to try that system a lot since I will be sailing the Cyclades in July and August and that means a lot of days with wind over B7.



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