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Re: Lets have a chat about multis.

Originally Posted by c. breeze View Post
...I am also gratified that you made no effort to refute my claim that on most cruising cats "sailing" is an afterthought in the design and layout. I suppose I should be further thankful to you for going on to support my claim- via the 99% / 1% argument.
Did you claim this? I wouldn't argue the point although I certainly didn't appreciate the Buick reference, however I did understand it. The price of catamarans almost dictates that you won't see many young people owning one. It's a shame as these are platforms which attract women into sailing and that's not an insignificant thing.

Originally Posted by c. breeze View Post
I do get curious when I see mention Of all the time it takes to learn how to sail a boat in one sentence- and all this talk of autopilot and admiral chasing basically throughout. People don't buy these boats to learn how to get the most ou of them. They buy them because they have an equivalent number of electrical outlets as there home- and more square footage than most 2 bedroom apts. ....
Sailing basics are sailing basics no matter what kind of boat you're on. However, the fact that catamarans don't heel is huge. A catamaran sailor mantra is to REEF EARLY as catamarans don't have the feel of a small sail boat nor do they heel. As wind builds you will get into trouble. By this I'm not suggesting they all flip over. Things on board will start breaking, which is never a good thing.

Originally Posted by c. breeze View Post
I better retreat to the crew wanted thread that mentions the kids sailin j24s so the old farts have a ready source of up and coming crew. I prefer the idea that even when I'm 70- if I make it that far- that sailing will still be my primary incentive for being on a sailboat.
You don't know that. Or is there an electric winch in your future? I'm 62 and didn't think I'd still be sailing at all.

Originally Posted by c. breeze View Post
I also found the S Hull / sacrificial keel design intricacy interesting. I get the sacraficial keel- but what is the s hull- and how does it work? You can explain it or provide links- either way. Thanks.
Morrelli & Melvin are the designers of the Americas cup series , they also designed the Leopard and Gunboat series of catamarans as well as many others. They have a new design which uses the "S" hull. Link is here:

Features | Indikon Boat Works | Indikon Boat Works

In addition, BMW Oracle uses an "S" hard chine main hull on their America's cup boat, and they're obviously very successful campaigning that boat.

Lastly not all catamarans are "condomarans". It's interesting that the two most recognized performance catamaran designers are at opposite ends of the hierarchy. Morrelli & Melvin are the mavens of Americas Cup and Richard Woods Designs concentrates on performance oriented affordable catamaran designs. I guess he never grew out of his racing days which at last count included 32 Atlantic crossings. Richard is a friend of mine and stops by and visits me as he's sailing through my part of the world. His boats are the fastest sailing I have ever done outside of Hobie Cats. Link to his site - Richard Woods Designs

Woods is a proponent of centerboards (he and I have discussed this at length as I used to disagree with him). I've sailed his 32' Eclipse and his 38' Transit. Both were incredible but the Transit at 38' seemed much larger than it's size would suggest in the interior, yet sailed not only better than my boat, she sailed easier. Truly amazing designs.

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