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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

Originally Posted by TakeFive View Post
Maybe it's a language translation issue, but you don't seem to understand the meaning of the word "culture" as we yankees have used it. It is totally separate from regulation. A safety culture is a set of attitudes and practices that go beyond the mandatory regulations. Indeed, various groups (like the Tall Ship community) will often argue that increased regulation is not needed because their "culture" provides adequate self-policing. Just wait until there are some increased regulations proposed - I guarantee that you'll hear theses argument starting to be made.

I think the blame is shared with the Tall Ship Community. If what you've said is true and it was known that the ship was in bad shape, they had lots of ways to apply strong peer pressure. It seems like most Associations that sponsor races and other competitions have minimum safety rules that must be followed, including design criteria that ensure seaworthiness. What a ( "]Tall Ships Challenge[/URL]? If everybody knew what bad shape this boat was in, and that they were skirting the rules, why was Bounty admitted by the event organizers?

Hell, they even promoted the boat as accepting "students and groups of all ages."

Now try to tell me that the Tall Ship community isn't complicit in this disaster. This it not all the Coast Guard's fault.
Wow, So the TS sponsored and included the Bounty as a participant inalong with the Captains of the vessels Pitcarin Castle and Pride of Baltimore in 2009,2010,2011,and 2012. The knew the Bounty had substandard maintainence and safety and they still allowed them to participate. Hell they even promoted them in their literature.

They in fact promoted in their own literture that they had some kind of safty inspection
Safety at sea is critical and each participating sailing vessel has been inspected and certified for its intended use either by a national maritime authority (the Coast Guard in the US) or by an internationally-endorsed society. At the beginning of the season, the safety equipment on each vessel is double-checked by the TALL SHIPS CHALLENGE® Race Committee and any discrepancies are remedied prior to the first race.

How now can the Captains of these vessels claim they knew all along that the BOUnty was suspect when in fact the were part of the organization which helped validated them certified to participate in the TS Challenege.

Had someone from the TS organization raised an alarm back in 2009,2010, 2011 or 2012 about the vessels seaworthiness dont you think the CG would have had a look at it even though private vessels are not required to be liscenced. Why the TS were not silent but actually complicit in fooing the people the Bounty was seaworthy.

Jan Miles Letter on Facebook damning the on month dead Captain

Another ancillary part of the saga to add to the Boothbay Shipyard in the conclusions

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