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post #1879 of Old 02-25-2013
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

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^ Fantastic post. I agree completely.

What happened on the Bounty didn't happen because they weren't regulated. It happened because nobody in the Bounty organization was willing to use basic logic because they didn't like the logical conclusion they would have come to: The ship was not seaworthy.

The ship could not afford repairs- Bounty's decision: Don't do them!

The ship was not in good material condition to sail- Bounty's decision: Go anyway!

There is a super storm heading our way- Bounty's decision: Let's go for it!

The chief engineer is totally unqualified- Bounty's decision: He works cheap. You're hired!

The ship inevitably gets in trouble in a hurricane- Bounty's decision: Don't call anyone! We can make it!


You simply cannot regulate madness out of existance. Regulations (laws) do not prevent mishaps. They allow for punishment after the fact.

Will more regulation come? That's up to someone besides me. We will see in time. But what regulation would have prevented the sheer stupidity that led to the Bounty tragedy? They ignored basic logic in every instance and the outcome was inevitable. The Bounty was going to sink, sooner or later.
All good points. But Bounty's deficiencies (and "dockside attraction" status) were apparently well known among the Tall Ship community. Neverteless, the Tall Ship Challenge allowed Bounty to participate AND EVEN HELPED THEM PROMOTE RIDES FOR "students and groups of all ages," in apparent violation of the limitations of their "dockside attraction" certification.

I accept your argument that regulation may not prevent these sorts of accidents. But organizations like Tall Ships America (who run the dozens of events that make up the Tall Ship Challenge Series) are in a position to influence the safety culture in a way that proactively prevents these accidents. And they clearly failed in this case.


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