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My point is that those of us that just want a place to talk about sailing are subject to the overflow of uncivil behavior and flat-out bile into the sailing areas of SailNet. There are two components: 1. unfortunate relationships develop in the OT areas that cause friction in the sailing discussions and 2. patterns of behavior develop in the OT areas that are "acceptable" there that appear in the sailing areas.

My opinion is that there are plenty of places to talk about what shows up in OT. A sailing board doesn't need to provide resources to support it. Go somewhere else.
SVA, could you please show me examples to back up the assertions you make in this post?



I post in off-topic. I post in off-topic a lot. Because I post in off-topic, I must be one of those you paint with your broad brush as "uncivil" and full of "flat-out bile."

I find that characterization to be insulting and demeaning.

Note that the person in this conversation who is throwing around insults is the guy who deplores uncivil behaviour and wants it kept out of the sailing forums.

Please post examples to back your assertions, or, if and when you are unable to do so apologize to those of us you have inaccurately demeaned.

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Hmmmmmm,

this is looking more and more like it should be a true ignore thread! the political pundits with both sides of the argument have shown up out side the political spectrum of the forum! Oh, and some are even arguing out of BOTH sides of there mouths.....hmmmmmm.......

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SVA, could you please show me examples to back up the assertions you make in this post?
No. First because I have better things to do and second because I would be responding to baiting.

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I post in off-topic. I post in off-topic a lot. Because I post in off-topic, I must be one of those you paint with your broad brush as "uncivil" and "full of flat-out bile."
Where you post is your business. I've had, in appropriate times and places, very civil discussions about politics. Participation in SailNet OT is not defacto proof to me of a lack of civility. I'm not the arbiter of civility anyway.

I don't know anything about you. Until you said so in this thread I didn't know you were a participant in OT. I do recall that you make interesting and substantive contributions to sailing threads. I observe that sometimes you are a party to the occasional emotional (I think) interchange well within the range of the socially acceptable. Sometimes I disagree with you on technical issues but that isn't relevant at all. That's all I think I know. You aren't on my ignore list. *grin*

I've used 'uncivil' but not 'full of flat-out bile' to my recollection, certainly not recently. I have probably used the word 'bile' for which I apologized when it was pointed out to me that what I intended as a global description was taken as personal.

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I find that characterization to be insulting and demeaning.
There is no characterization. I did not make any comment about everyone who participates in OT. What I said is that there is an apparent (because I have better things to do than keep score) correlation between OT and a lack of civility in the sailing threads. Some of the people that make the most significant contributions to the sailing threads were starting to drift away. The moderators have made their own assessment and have taken some steps.

If you think I'm the only person complaining you should ask the moderators. Some people don't complain; they just fade away. How is that good for SailNet?

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Note that the person in this conversation who is throwing around insults is the guy who deplores uncivil behaviour and wants it kept out of the sailing forums.
I'm working hard to avoid insults. When there is a sociological problem it can be challenging to address the issues without backlash. So be it. OT is not good for SailNet. Those political et al discussions can happen in other venues and SailNet will be better off for it.

You feel differently. You have every bit as much right to your opinion as I have to mine. Neither of us is in a decision-making position on SailNet. Attacking me personally for my opinion that OT at large isn't good for SailNet doesn't make a good case for OT.

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So, in short, you have no example at hand of OT "bile" spilling over into the rest of the site, and no apology is forthcoming. Got it.

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Ausp - have you noticed that the PRWG threads are now gone from sight? You have to request a password or something to get into them. So I'm not sure I see how a completely hidden political section is bad for SN. Those guys like it. Let 'em keep it. No biggie.

I do agree with you, though, that sometimes those dudes bring their animosity out into the sailing threads...and if you didn't know the history you'd wonder what the hell they were so uptight about.


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I'm curious bl. What happened to your post that quoted my post #43?

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I'm curious bl. What happened to your post that quoted my post #43?
Must have been deleted by the mods so that SVAusp wouldn't have a good example.
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Sailors are in general inapropriatly frank. If you don't like frank tel him so and he will tell you where to go.

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Have you lost your fuzzy ass mind?

John, by the way, thinks this dragon vs. wombat interchange is cute. I may just turn Lysistrata on him if he doesn't shape up and take my side regardless.
Hmmm...dragons vs. wombats:

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Ausp - have you noticed that the PRWG threads are now gone from sight?
I hadn't noticed until you mentioned this. All the Puerto Rican Wiccan Gay threads are gone!

Doesn't that violate a whole mess of anti-discrimination laws?
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