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Re: Sailnet has new owners

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The real value here is the sense of community and cameraderie.
Uhh...no it isn't. Cameraderie provides no income that would move one company to purchase an asset if not the entire company from someone else.

I think there's more at work here. It's obvious that sailnet hasn't become something wildly different over the last 6 months so there's no huge increase in income they've experienced or anything like that to justify outside interest. It could be that the previous owners just got tired of running it. But more than likely, there's meaning in looking at the analytics for the site over the last year. Alexa is a good general place that anyone can look - there are other sites that show much more but you have to pay to access them. Here's the free Alexa page:

alexa.com/siteinfo/sailnet.com

It's a log scale graph so changes are really much larger than they appear. What it shows, quite clearly, is that the boom time for sailnet happened around late spring/early summer 2012. There is no denying that use has significantly declined - and again, it's a log scale so it's even worse than it looks. Other sites that I use to access traffic show this same trend with a lot more detail especially over 5+ years of data.

A much more realistic explanation is that the previous owners of sailnet realized that this dog had hunted as far as it was ever going to go with them at the lead. Now was the time to sell and get out. The new purchasers with more experience in these vertical market forums might have realized that they could obtain new income in ways that the previous owners weren't willing to implement - like the "premium" accounts mentioned already (I'll have mine with extra cheese).

It was probably a smart idea that it was sold. The result of leaving things the same was going to be the continuing slide of sailnet use until it was just a memory of what we used to do (remember usenet, rec.sailing, etc?).
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Re: Sailnet has new owners

Hi Phil,
I was there during the 600rr.net & 1000rr.net VS assimilation. jetblast10 on both, check my user # to see the significance.

Welcome. This is a great community with some real wise members. High quality.
VerticalScope will do a great job with the community. They are ultra responsive and know the inner workings very well. I'm looking forward to the new coat of paint that's inevitably coming.
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Re: Sailnet has new owners

svmeanderer,

You came onto this forum and started out by cursing at me, calling me names and accusing me of some pretty crass acts in chat for which I should have banned you from the forum at that point. Now I see that your only four posts have been to put down the forum, the previous owners, and complain about how it is run.

Why are you even here?
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Re: Sailnet has new owners

Meanderer,

With all due respect, SailNet has existed for approximately 20 years now and has had several owners. On and off, I have been a moderator here, for most of that time. I have virtually known some of the owners pretty well, and others well enough to get a sense of why they created and maintained SailNet.

From its very inception, we moderators were told that SailNet's existence was a side benefit of other businesses, meaning it never has been a cash cow. The original owners were quite up front that they wanted SailNet to be the virtual equivellent of a Sailing Club social hour. They wanted it to be a family friendly place where sailors of all experience could come and safely discuss sailing related topics. The Off-Topic portion of the site was created when it became impossible to moderate all of the twists and turns of these near religious debates on various non-sailing related esoteric. The existence of Off Topic remains somewhat controversial even amoungst us Moderators.

At various times its been clear that SailNet subsidized its existence with advertising revenues, by directing business to its marine supply and sail loft connections, and at one time by selling online listings of boats and gear (very cheaply by the way).

My fellow moderators; TDW, Faster, DrFerron and myself, serve gratis because we think that SailNet serves a useful purpose to the sport we love and because we enjoy being a part of this virtual community. Its not hard work, but it does take time and effort to do what we do.

We have no idea why the prior owners chose to sell, or the current owners chose to buy SailNet. Frankly, I personally don't care. I am grateful that the prior owners chose to maintain this site with servers, softwares, a webmaster and such, and placed their trust in us moderators to keep the gestalt of the place at an acceptable tone, and that those owners chose to provide these services free of charge to the members. I am grateful that the new owners chose to buy SailNet and take at face value, and appreciate their stated intent to keep the place basically as it is, and not to start charging members or make wholesale changes.

And that is more than enough for me.

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Re: Sailnet has new owners

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Uhh...no it isn't. Cameraderie provides no income that would move one company to purchase an asset if not the entire company from someone else.

I think there's more at work here. It's obvious that sailnet hasn't become something wildly different over the last 6 months so there's no huge increase in income they've experienced or anything like that to justify outside interest. It could be that the previous owners just got tired of running it. But more than likely, there's meaning in looking at the analytics for the site over the last year. Alexa is a good general place that anyone can look - there are other sites that show much more but you have to pay to access them. Here's the free Alexa page:

alexa.com/siteinfo/sailnet.com

It's a log scale graph so changes are really much larger than they appear. What it shows, quite clearly, is that the boom time for sailnet happened around late spring/early summer 2012. There is no denying that use has significantly declined - and again, it's a log scale so it's even worse than it looks. Other sites that I use to access traffic show this same trend with a lot more detail especially over 5+ years of data.

A much more realistic explanation is that the previous owners of sailnet realized that this dog had hunted as far as it was ever going to go with them at the lead. Now was the time to sell and get out. The new purchasers with more experience in these vertical market forums might have realized that they could obtain new income in ways that the previous owners weren't willing to implement - like the "premium" accounts mentioned already (I'll have mine with extra cheese).

It was probably a smart idea that it was sold. The result of leaving things the same was going to be the continuing slide of sailnet use until it was just a memory of what we used to do (remember usenet, rec.sailing, etc?).
Dude - how does this involve you exactly?

Two private parties got together and made a deal...without your help, even. It happens every day. And now you're trying to drum up some conspiracy with charts and graphs?

Let me just say, you're not very good at this.
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Hi Phil,
I was there during the 600rr.net & 1000rr.net VS assimilation. jetblast10 on both, check my user # to see the significance.

Welcome. This is a great community with some real wise members. High quality.
VerticalScope will do a great job with the community. They are ultra responsive and know the inner workings very well. I'm looking forward to the new coat of paint that's inevitably coming.
I have only worked on 1000rr.net for a short time while helping sort out new merch for a site store. Tough crowd 1000rr.net but a good site.
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Fee-fi-fo-fum I smell ....... a rat. To wit a white and grey flying rat of the family Laridae
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Re: Sailnet has new owners

It's odd how my comments turned from facts, opinions, and analysis about sailnet to me and my motives. I'm a long term lurker. What does it matter? If my analysis is wrong, argue the point instead of looking for a grassy knoll to divert the conversation.

Maybe I've stumbled onto the reason why sailnet's time has passed. Hopefully the new owners are watching to see what really happens.
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It's odd how my comments turned from facts, opinions, and analysis about sailnet to me and my motives. I'm a long term lurker. What does it matter? If my analysis is wrong, argue the point instead of looking for a grassy knoll to divert the conversation.

Maybe I've stumbled onto the reason why sailnet's time has passed. Hopefully the new owners are watching to see what really happens.
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