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Dirt person is incorrect. You may be referring to a "dirt dweller". That common ailment may be cured by some sea time. It may just save your life.


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Thanks for your reply! .... And the yacht in question is supposed to have been built by a local family of Portuguese boat builders in Sausalito as a sea going vessel. I'm mostly using the Little Windflower as a reference...
If you're at all concerned about historical accuracy, you might do a little research into the presence of Portuguese in California. While some Azorean Portugese were engaged in the maritime trades, primarily whaling largely focused on the Monterrey area, the vast majority were involved in farming, primarily in Southern California. In northern California, for example, one Portuguese family dominated the Sweet Potato trade from the mid-1800's well into the mid-1900's. By comparison, boat building, particularly in the Sausalito and San Francisco area, was dominated by Italian immigrants--initially Genoese but, after the 1890's, Sicilians. Their only competition were the Chinese but repressive laws passed in the late 1800's forced the Chinese away from the area. Even today, "Fishermans' Wharf" is still dominated by the descendents of old Italian families. As for the Portuguese--actually Azorean Portuguese--their maritime heritage in the US was more focused on the Hawaiian Islands but more so, the northeast coast, particularly around New Bedford.

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Something else to think about (or not), the boat you are using as a model would certainly be considered to be a yacht in finish and purpose. A yacht at the time would likely have had paid crew. Building yachts requires additional skills beyond what would be needed to build a working boat (either could cross oceans if stout enough). Without knowing anything about the Portuguese boat builders I don't know which they would build, but I suspect it would be more of a workboat than a yacht.

BTW, have you looked at the Voyage of the Snark by Jack London. It is a non-fiction book about the building of his 45' yacht and subsequent voyage to the South Pacific. The Snark was built in Oakland and its launch was delayed by the 1906 earthquake. Probably a boat very much like the one you want.

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Jack London's ketch, the Snark, as killarney mentioned built just before the '06 quake, had a gasoline engine that failed before they left San Francisco for Hawaii. London's "The Cruise of the Snark" will give you period local color if you can use it. Click the title to read/download it for free.

Many yachts of the time carried folding deck chairs, so your people can put up a fly & sit pretty much anywhere.

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Dirt person is incorrect. You may be referring to a "dirt dweller". That common ailment may be cured by some sea time. It may just save your life.
Would love some sea time! And thanks for correction.
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If you're at all concerned about historical accuracy, you might do a little research into the presence of Portuguese in California. While some Azorean Portugese were engaged in the maritime trades, primarily whaling largely focused on the Monterrey area, the vast majority were involved in farming, primarily in Southern California. In northern California, for example, one Portuguese family dominated the Sweet Potato trade from the mid-1800's well into the mid-1900's. By comparison, boat building, particularly in the Sausalito and San Francisco area, was dominated by Italian immigrants--initially Genoese but, after the 1890's, Sicilians. Their only competition were the Chinese but repressive laws passed in the late 1800's forced the Chinese away from the area. Even today, "Fishermans' Wharf" is still dominated by the descendents of old Italian families. As for the Portuguese--actually Azorean Portuguese--their maritime heritage in the US was more focused on the Hawaiian Islands but more so, the northeast coast, particularly around New Bedford.

Just a thought...
From the research I've done, it seems that there was a fair amount of Portuguese in Sausalito. Boatbuilders and dairy farmers, in particular, are mentioned. My own family was originally from one of the islands and came over in 1870s. And yes, the laws that they passed to try and stop the Chinese immigrants were pretty brutal, which only seemed to compound the issue of importing slave girls into SF. The poor crib girls! And the bubonic plague outbreak in 1900 gave everyone an excuse to put barbed wire around China Town and burn the one on Honolulu to the ground.

I did think it interesting, from what I understand, Fisherman's Wharf used to be down by Front street and then later moved to its current day position. Have you read that as well?
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Something else to think about (or not), the boat you are using as a model would certainly be considered to be a yacht in finish and purpose. A yacht at the time would likely have had paid crew. Building yachts requires additional skills beyond what would be needed to build a working boat (either could cross oceans if stout enough). Without knowing anything about the Portuguese boat builders I don't know which they would build, but I suspect it would be more of a workboat than a yacht.

BTW, have you looked at the Voyage of the Snark by Jack London. It is a non-fiction book about the building of his 45' yacht and subsequent voyage to the South Pacific. The Snark was built in Oakland and its launch was delayed by the 1906 earthquake. Probably a boat very much like the one you want.
I've not read that book yet, but will put it on my list. I love Jack London's books. I'm currently reading Sea Wolf.
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If you're willing... LOL, I wouldn't mind. It's currently with my editor and a beta reader, but they don't even live around the ocean, let alone sail. Very little of it takes place on a boat, but I always strive for accuracy. If you have an ereader, Kindle or any others, I can send a .mobi or .epub. I'd be very grateful. I'm guessing there is a Private messaging ability on this forum, so if you like historical mysteries, just let me know.
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WRT deck chairs, the pictures of that boat show a tiny cockpit, crowded foredeck, and the cabin trunk overhung by the boom. You'd need to be a midget in a mighty short chair to sit under that boom, and even swinging it outboard wouldn't leave a lot of clear space.

I'd vote for the crowded cockpit as being the most practical space to sit in.
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Hi all,

Just wanted to thank you again for answering my questions. My book was released today and I made sure to include Sailnet in acknowledgements. If anyone is interested in checking it out, here is a link with more information: New Release: From the Ashes | Of This And That

And if anyone happens to read it and finds any sailing errors, please feel free to let me know and set me straight.
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