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New Site - Sailcraftdata

Hi there,

I've created a new website called (link removed by tdw)
It's like sailboatdata.com only updated to work on mobile devices like iPhones, and iPads.

I'd love it if you took a look and made some suggestions.

Thanks!
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Re: New Site - Sailcraftdata

I would think that the main reasons for a new online database on sailboat data
Would be more accuracy and additional information than existing databases.
So I looked at the only sailboat I have decent experience with the Pearson 28 and I found your data suspect.
The first edition of this boat as stated by Pearson was: LOA 28, DWL 24, DRAFT 5'. This boat had the galley on the starboard side and a quarter berth on the port side.
The second edition of 3/76 removed the quarter berth and put the stove on the port side and was: LOA 28, DWL 24, DRAFT 4'6".
The third iteration retained the same cabin configuration but had LOA 28, DWL 24 and DRAFT 5'.
Now my boat is hull #96 made in 3/76. Based on the above it seems to have the hull fro. The first edition and deck and cabin from the second edition.
All were listed at 7850 displacement and 3530 ballast and all had the dame rid dimensions.
I think it may not be worth your time to sort through these inaccuracies since the company is defunct and there appears there is not an official library on this boat. But one wonders if any of the information on this new site is accurate and therefore useful in comparing various boats.
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Re: New Site - Sailcraftdata

Hey John,

Your right. In fact most of the data was sourced by scouring the internet.
I'd like to make it more like a wiki, so that people like you with extensive experience and knowledge about certain boats could update the pages they think aren't accurate.
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Re: New Site - Sailcraftdata

I tried to update some data and the email bounced....
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Re: New Site - Sailcraftdata

Cool!

The C&C 35/3 also came in a centerboard version. Yanmar 3GM30F was standard. 20 gallons fuel, 40 water
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Re: New Site - Sailcraftdata

Maybe you could add other ways to mine the data. Maybe being able to search by boat size, or displacement, or intended purpose (cruiser, racer...).
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Re: New Site - Sailcraftdata

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Hi there,

I've created a new website called Find information on over 7000 sailboats - SailCraft
It's like sailboatdata.com only updated to work on mobile devices like iPhones, and iPads.

I'd love it if you took a look and made some suggestions.

Thanks!
You just scraped sailboatdata, and did a poor job in doing so because you only kept some of the data and didn't do any fact checking to see if it is correct.

As a result you have the Pearson 28-2 listed with the incorrect SA/D (sailboatdata has the SA/D listed twice, one is correct, one is incorrect).

It would be easy to improve on sailboatdata by doing a little simple math to double check numbers and find anomolies to be investigated and corrected. Your site doesn't seem to have done any of that...it's just stealing someone else's collected work and repacking it without any improvements.
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Re: New Site - Sailcraftdata

Randy Browning of sailboatdata.com here.

The site certainly has flaws. (besides cosmetic and interface issues which are both admittedly terrible.)
Criticism has also been made, for example about naming conventions, which I'd rather not go into right now.
However, I am EXTREMELY meticulous about the accuracy of the numbers.
(I get about 10 Emails a day about measurements of different yachts, much of which proves to be inaccurate.)

RE: SAIL AREA
The presence of 2 numbers for sail area is INTENTIONAL as well as the fact that they sometimes conflict. (There are actually sometimes 3 sail area #s.)

The following decision has been made several years ago and remains in place until a more sophisticated database structure could be introduced: Possibly something more akin to an IRC meas. cert.

IF-
VERIFIABLE rig dimensions are known, I have made a calculation using the traditional trigonometric method that have been used by designers and handicappers for almost 100 years. (I, J,P,etc) Even though every manufacturer has a different way of measuring sail area, this is currently the best way for people to make a comparisons between traditionally rigged boats (despite it's flaws)

IF-
a reliable source for these numbers is NOT available, none of these fields even appear, including the one for calculated tot. SA.

IF-
no OTHER SA number is available (OTHER than rig dimensions), the total sa calculation is placed BOTH at the top AND bottom and this number is used in the other dynamically generated calculations such a SA/Disp. etc.

IF-
ANOTHER TOTAL SA number IS available from the designer or manufacturer, (the results from a calculation other than the trad. trig.,)
THAT number appears in the field at the top (SA) but NOT at the bottom.

IF-
these numbers conflict, the SA number at the top is used in the other aforementioned hull calculations.
(I'm leaving out a few other decisions that have to be dynamically made in the code not worth mentioning)

The CALCULATED sail area # is usually completely IRRELEVANT for multi-hulls, dinghies, really light weight craft and extreme rig abnormalities.

In these cases, the published sail area numbers are the only ones used and are entered manually. Total SA appears in the field at the top and more detailed measurements appear in the NOTES: section.(if available).

So for Sail AREA, that's the logic used. It's not great.
Also, I don't mind criticism, especially if it contains a positive suggestion.

Regards,
Randy Browning
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Re: New Site - Sailcraftdata

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Hi there,

I've created a new website called Find information on over 7000 sailboats - SailCraft
It's like sailboatdata.com only updated to work on mobile devices like iPhones, and iPads.

I'd love it if you took a look and made some suggestions.

Thanks!
Except that you never asked sailboatdata.com if was OK to STEAL HIS ENTIRE SITE!
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Re: New Site - Sailcraftdata

sailboatdata.com is my go-to site for sailboat data.

The other site is dumb and probably some form of plagiarism.
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