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Originally Posted by shayw
Yes, the search has begun. We have been looking at Tayana's, HC33, Valiant, Morgans, Ericsons, Pretorian, Union Cutters.
We have a budget of 80k and we like the teak interior but not the teak decks or super maintenance of a HC33. Like charm, functionality and throw in a little comfort.
If there are major considerations on an otherwise good model, I'd love to hear that too.
Any opinions greatly appreciated! Shay
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Is that total, including repairs and upgrades? If so it will be tough.
I shopped the Tayana's and others from the Ta Shing yard very hard and found that getting a good boat in that price range is not easy. All boats are bought by dreamers but that got in the way of a couple of deals on those boats, unlike others.
A big problem with these boats is age, and use. They are old so need most things upgraded. If over the years they had such systems upgraded then it is likely they were used and need upgrading again.
Stay away from those back from major voyages. Without exception the problem was the owner could only see the boat as it left, all shiny with new equipment, not as it was, old, years with little or no mtce, old electronics, all needing replacing some not working, in otherwords thousands of dollars of repairs needed. Not that that is a major problem but it is if the owner can't see it, then you are wasting time.
That is why I eventually left that market. Huge time wasters when shopping for those boats.
Better deals are to be found in the boats that have had larger production runs. The semi-custom stuff coming out of Ta-Shing yard makes it hard to compare boats. You can determine what the boat is worth to you but the owner will always be looking at the highest price his model sold at, not what boats like his sold for.
With the production boats, the cookie cutters, or javex bottles, the market is much clearer, the problems more known and the spread in prices tighter.
And then there is resale. An old Tayana would be great but the market for those boats are dropping, not increasing. The newer boats are better even at passage making. Which means resale can be more difficult unless you sell real cheap which few dreamers are unwilling to do until years after it was clear to everybody else that was the only choice. So keep resale in mind.
If $80G is total look at boats under $50G, even if doing your own work. It is shocking how fast $10G disappears into a boat that is being set up for use. Particularly if you do not have a boat from which to scavange everything from.
Oh another thing that is real common with all boat sales. The old bait and switch. Lots of those little items add up, like dingies, outboards, lifejackets, safety equipment, even sails and stuff will be shown either in pictures or when you see the boat. It is a major hassle to avoid as it requires a total inventory of the boat, pictures of every square inch, and for that inventory and the pictures to be included in the contract. Major hassle but it has to be taken into account.
A good broker will not show pictures of the boat that is not for sale. One of the little things to look for when tryng to determine what kind of broker you are dealing with. Always keep in mind that they are not on your side, they only care about the deal. The good ones care about the next deal too.
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