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Another new guy...long post, sorry

Looking for recommendations. First, my story:

First sailing experience was 4 years ago on Barnegat Bay on the Joisey shaw. A female friend invited me and my two young boys for a day of sailing and I said OK. Our vessel was to be a Sunfish, the use of which was negotiated (extricated) from a previous relationship of hers. She knew little about sailing; I, nothing. In the area we were launching, the bay was a bit shallow so she decided we did not require a centerboard for this journey. I took her word for it.

Leaving my boys (9&7) on the stinky, rotting seaweed and green-headed fly infested shoreline, we took of for a "brief" cruise. There was a small island/large sandbar about 200 yards off shore and we thought we would just sail around it and come back. We achieved the far side of the island OK enough, but when we tried to come back to the shore, we found the wind direction just wouldn't permit it. Without the centerboard, every time we tried to steer in the direction we wanted to go, the boat would just drift sideways. We were accomplishing nothing except getting further and further away from my poor fly swatting kids. After almost an hour of this I decided we were far enough away and the only way to get back was to abandon ship and walk the boat ashore.

Now for those of you that have not had the pleasure of walking in Barnegat Bay I will share my experience. The water in our area of the bay was not deep, maybe 3', but the muck on the bottom added another 2'! I don't know about anyone else, but walking in 2 feet of soft, squishy, possibly broken glass/rusty metal laden muck is at the very top of my worse case scenario nightmare list. I was literally walking knee deep in this stuff. My squirmy yuck-o-meter was on tilt. I made it 100' or so and couldn't take any more. I grabbed a line from the bow of the boat, swung it over my shoulder and started breast-stroking to shore. Little Miss "We don't need the centerboard" thought that as long as I was towing the boat, she might as well hop on for the ride! NOT. Any sense of chivalry vanished as my first step sank into the muck.

Long story short (too late, I know) we made it back. The kids were fine. We put the centerboard in and spent the next two hours with me at the helm and the boys taking turns as 'crew'. I tacked back and forth and back and forth and started to get the hang of it. The feeling of tacking windward (terms I came to learn much later) was nothing short of exhilarating. The memories of the day's earlier nightmarish adventure faded with every successful maneuver. I was hooked.

A few years went by without repeating the experience when I noticed a small sailboat for sail in a neighbors yard. Having just installed a trailer hitch on my Honda Element for the purpose of a bicycle rack, it dawned on me that "Hey, I can now tow a boat too" $750 later I found myself the proud owner of a mid-60s Flying Junior racing dinghy.

I live in western New Jersey about a mile from one of the most popular inland sailing destinations in the state, Spruce Run Reservoir, and me and the boys spent last summer taking every chance we could try and get out on the lake. As luck would have it, it was one of the calmest summers I can remember. I fly rubber-powered model airplanes and am very sensitive to wind conditions. There have been countess times when a planned trip to the flying field had to be scrubbed due to a quick glance at the treetops swaying in the breeze. Of course as soon as I get a sailboat, there is not a breath of wind to be had On more than a few occasions we found ourselves paddling back the dock. More...

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Ha! Gotta love being knee deep in muck!

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New guy ramblings...

So, after all that, we come to my purpose for this post. I want to expand my sailing horizons and get a bigger boat. I have been doing a little research and spent yesterday visiting a few marinas looking at boats. I seem to be drawn toward the older, full feel classic type "pocket cruisers". Yesterday I looked at 2 Cape Dory Typhoons and a CD22.

My intentions for the boat are to eventually take 2, maybe 3 day cruises to various coastline destinations. After seeing the limited cabin room in the Typhoon, it was quickly ruled out. The 22 was doable. You're not going to be playing ping-pong inside, but I think me and the boys could spend a couple of nights in there. We have been tent campers for years and are used to making do with little. That's part of the fun of it.

I ran into a guy hosing down his 36'er at one of the marinas and he noticed we were looking at boats. His only recommendation was "whatever size you are looking for, get the next size up". He also had worked his way through half a case of beer, so I took this advise with a grain of salt, but it still stuck in my head.

My parameters are as follows:

Size - My local sailing spot limits LOA to 25' and mast above waterline to 30' (one finger of the reservoir has a power line that crosses overhead). They are known to drop the water levels in August to a point where nothing with a fixed keel can be launched, centerboards only. Boats are stored dry on trailers, mast up and shuttled to and from the water via an adequate ramp for boats of the maximum size when water levels are up. Cost to store a boat there is a whopping $155 including park entry for the summer and $120 for the winter. If I want to still sail my new boat there, I need to keep the size with these limits and it needs to be trailerable.

If I get a trailerable boat of sufficient size, I might need another tow vehicle. My little Honda Element has a towing capacity of 1500#. I can use it to move a boat around the yard and in and out of the water, but not to transport it any distance. I can "ramp and store" the boat at my local reservoir for $155 or at a marina down the shore for $600 without needing a new truck. I just can't get it back and forth easily, nor do I think I want to as that would require restepping the mast, a task I would like to perform as infrequently as possible. I suppose I could store the boat locally, rigging the mast in the spring and then transporting down the shore for the end of the season when the reservoir level drops.

Cost - I have read the advise of buying a well maintained boat instead of a fixer upper. That's the plan. My goal is to spend as much time sailing and as little time fixing/maintaining. I'd like to stay in the $5-7K range including trailer and motor. A bit more for a really good deal.

I'm trying to be a realist here. I have no delusions of grandeur or romantic notions of circumnavigating single-handed (yet). I have never been on big water enough to know if I really want to devote all my free time to this endeavor. I want a big enough boat that I can use and that will give me a sense of whether I want to make this hobby my future. I do not mind making a bit of investment and taking a bit of a hit if I bail. I just want to make the hit as small as possible. Does this make any sense?
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BTW, this CD22 I looked at was very nice. It was a dry boat in very good condition. 9.8hp Motor is excellent, comes with extra stuff like autopilot and roller furling. No trailer though. The boat is about 6K and a suitable trailer has to be another 2K at least.

I suppose if I skipped the trailer part, I could get it from Long Island to NJ on water (with some help of course) and then moor it in NJ. I'm just not sure of the time commitment necessary for a boat stored on the water. I think getting married for the second time would be less of a commitment for me! And if this is the way I'm going, do I now want to look at 25' boats?
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Hey alm - welcome to SN dude. If glass infested stinky muck can't dissuade you from sailing - you're as hopeless as the rest of us.

Being a C27 owner, I'm a big fan of the Catalinas (maybe a 22 for you). Lots of them out there and really pretty cheap. And they're doable for sleeping 3 - though it's cramped. There are lots of guys on SN that know much more about trailer sailors.

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Makes total sense! I am in the same "boat", so to speak. We just bought a 23' Oday for the same reasons you explained. It's big enough for me and my wife for extended trips, but small enough to tow. I don't think your element would tow our boat, even out of the driveway. I've got a 4runner with a V6 and it will barely reach 55 on the highway. Even trailer sailers need a pretty beefy vehicle to pull comfortably.

Craigslist is a great place to start your hunt, just go look at as many as possible. For 5 to 7 K you'll be able to find a great boat for sure! Good luck and keep us posted!
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Thanks guys! Good to be here. I've lurked a bit. Lot's of decent folk here.

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I'd highly recommend you get Steve Henkel's book, The Sailor’s Book of Small Cruising Sailboats. This book reviews 360 boats under 27' LOA, and is probably a very good place for you to start, given the requirements you have.

I'd also recommend you read the Boat Inspection Trip Tips thread I started, as it will help you determine whether the boat is worth going ahead with further.
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Thanks SD. I noticed that book being recommended in another thread and it's already on its way from Amazon along with "Sailing Fundamentals". I also think I'm going to book myself for the 2-3 day ASA sailing course. It couldn't hurt, right? I'm leaning toward leaving my little FJ on my local reservoir for spur of the moment sailing jaunts and getting something bigger to keep in raritan or barnegat bay.
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Hey Almico

A great boat to consider is the Rhodes 22. Look for one with IMF, inner mast furling...(for the main!) as well as roller furling jib. This boat is very well designed with a lot of plusses too numerous to mention here. It is very convenient for singlehanded sailing. has a shoal draft swing keel, 18 inches or so with keel/board up, cockpit is huge as big as most 24' - 26' and flat too. Check Rhodes22.com or e-mail me at chrissailorman@gmail.com if you would like to see mine on LI. Don't overlook this boat. They're out there to be found
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