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lets speak plainly for a moment...

using "someones elses" survey is dam stoopid.
YOU have no idea who commissioned it, or why.
YOU have no idea what was or was not knocked about.
YOU have no idea how thorough the surveyor was.
YOU have no recourse at all if something was missing.

I'll admit, not a heck of a lot goes cattywhompus on a Cat 25.
Bulkheads may be shot, deck may be soft, engine might be adding to the oil spill in the gulf, black water tank may be leaking, gas tank may have rotted away, standing rigging may be ready to fall down, running rigging and fitments might be ready to go over the side... no, not much at all.
(no, I don't want to do a survey, no, I don't give a rats patootie if yo get this boat, or another boat, or no boat.
no, I don't care how much your next ex-wives hoo-hahs cost, or what they look like, chances are, I've already seen 'em on the net. )
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At some point, a boat will be simple or inexpensive enough that many buyers will accept the risk of going without a survey, but may elect to self-survey or bring along some experienced friends who aren't too close to the proposed transaction. Much depends on the buyer's expertise and comfort level.

Note that a basic pre-purchase survey may not include sea trials or engine testing or any rigging inspection that isn't easily visible from the deck or checking on potential tank or deck leaks that wouldn't be readily found without tearing stuff apart. And, for people who really want to check things out, there are options such as sending engine oil in to a lab for analysis.
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I'd point out the Boat Inspection Trip Tips thread I started, as it will help someone determine if a given boat is worth going further on. The smaller and simpler the boat, the less necessary a survey maybe, but a survey can often save you money, since it can often give you a negotiating advantage.
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Thanks for those tips

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Yes, I definitely read your tips. Some of them are things I've done already and others are going to be done before any money or signatures come out of me. Thanks for providing those!

I did notice some rust weeping from the rudder, so that's an area of concern.
This boat model was known for gate valves on through hulls, so automatically I expect to be replacing the remaining ones. I'm a bit paranoid about keeping boats afloat and not ignoring the through-hulls, hoses, exhaust, and drains.

And if I do buy the boat, either I expect to get to put some of the price into escrow to cover the risk of things that can't be determined now or to buy the boat at a price that acknowledges my risks.

"Some disassembly required" could be this boat's nickname; not only is it on the hard but the interior is jam-packed with stuff. It'll take a while to dig through it and make room to check everything. The boat has been on the hard for three or four years, so I expect a moisture meter wouldn't be relevant, and perhaps the fit of drawers and doors might be a tiny bit off for a boat on the hard, especially since it's likely not perfectly level on its supports, which are on dirt.

So far engine and driveline all look good (and I'll want to get water set up to run the engine though I won't be able to put it under load on the hard), wheel & rudder response good, deck good except for bow pulpit bedding, sails are so-so, rig is something I need to learn more about since it's all disassembled pieces.
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A moisture meter is always relevant. Rainwater can do a lot of damage and just because the boat has been on the hard for 4 years doesn't mean that water didn't get in before that and rot the deck core.
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