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Advise to damaged IRWIN 52

Hi there,
I found in Miami an IRWIN 52 that's first seem to be a bargain. But I got a surveyor and he found a lot of issues.
engine got water and is kaput (nobody did flush the engine with cerosin after water entries
transmission is maybe OK, but was flooded too
the generator is kaput and cant be recondition
the new installed bow-thruster seems to be flooded too and is not working
electrical system in the v-berth environment is not functional at all
On deck all the rig must be replaced because of rust and age as well the lifelines because of cracks. The bulkheads and the windows was all leaking and are terrible fixed with silicon (10 day ago it was not painted and not semi-professional fixed )The reason for the partial rod can be the chain-plates that are inside the hull and got a little space for moving that allows water to get in the boat behind the windows.
Under and close to the chain-plates and the woodwork under and close to the windows are some softspots and every hole from outside to inside is terrible and semi professional covert with ....silicon.

The statement about this boat was, that this boat did never grounded "with military precision".

But today I've got a really good , a very helpfully and experience diver for underwater jobs and we did a dive together. He pointed me to the rudder stock. The rudder stock was completely broken and a movement about 3-4 inches was easily possible without any power.
Additional we found out, that the prop-shaft bearings seem to be suffer under extremely violence and this area was covert and stuffed with silicon to get is water protect. I guess, from here came mainly the water in the boat and she sunk.

My question now is:
How much can it be to get everything repaired, special in the underwater section. I have time, I have experience, but I have limited money available.

Or is this boat maybe rubbish at all ? we stopped the underwater survey and did`n show the rest of the bottom in detail.

Additional there was some deep scratches in the hull ans some issues more. But I found some really good since, that the boat was grounded. The mizzenmast is out of centrer for more then 4 degrees plus the violence that happened to the rudder and shaft

We have trust the broker as well the owner and have spend so much time and money and now we found out, that it seem that the owner wasn't honest at all. This boat was grounded for sure and badly destroyed.

Any adviser or new offer to another cutter or ketch boat starting with 44+ is welcome.
We look forward to buy quick..so let us now, when you know something don't hesitate to write me. The money is already here and we are keen to start or advantage

kind regards

Jens

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In today's market there's little need to even entertain such a project.. WAY too many red flags on this one - even if it was free....
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Listen to me.

She's too big and likely to have the most horrendous problems.

That is an enormous ship.

Walk away friend.

Please!
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So, basically, there isn't one working system or part on this boat.
How much has the owner offered you to take it? If it's less than $10K, walk.
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This is sombodys problem.Don't make it yours.Not worth the gas to drive down to look at it.
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No way

Run away as fast as you can. Or, have the owner pay you to remove the boat
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I suspect this Seller is looking for some dreamer that will take a very expensive disposal liability off his hands. Frankly, if I were the Seller I'd part out the boat. I did that with an old boat back in the late '70's and got more for the mast and boom alone than I could have gotten for the entire boat intact, as I did also the lead keel and also the sails.

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last word from my side to say to this IRWIN 52 in Dinner Key Marina

well, I was asking me self how I can find out what else is wrong with this boat. So I did ask for a tug boat to get it in the yard and take it out the water.

The answer was, that the guys need two boats with at least 4 h per boat for a small quote of 300 bugs/h. Then to bring is out the water is additional 500 and the water blast 100 as well.....but I think I sow enough. its a good deal for maybe 20000 l....but the asking 60000 was much to high. And every bad thing what I discovered ended in no interest from the owner.He didn`t went down any dollar ....a shame

As to finish up with this boat and to warn everybody to get closer to them... the calculation is about 100 000 to get is back in the water, but then there are still too many questions marks. Then there is still no dingie, usable davits,no water maker, no new plumbing, bilge pump, usable anchor, water hoses.......never ending story, what is partiality required, no electric is a lot is not working and I found in almost all lamps no glue bulb( why this?) the mast top light is also not working and the rig is not yet replaced.
additional there is still the issue with the prop,maybe the shaft got a problem too and destroyed the fibreglass and bearings as well
The owner isn't honest and not helpfully.He hide a lot and hopefully he need to keep it and will not find any "idiot like me" that is stupid enough to believe the owner as well the broker .

I did cancel the deal today and hopefully another guy will not step in my feeds.
I've got the offer to sell my survey to another interest that will follow me , but its better, he read here something and save the money....its a gift from me. The survey isn't in written in any way not yet complete, because the surveyor and I agreed to proceed to another boat.

in the case, that somebody is still interested, he can buy the survey from me for the half as I payed as well photos that show the underwater ship in detail.

kind regards and when somebody know another boat what is not a rubbish-project like this....please contact me immediately as long we stay still in Miami.
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I looked at this boat also just a couple of weeks ago. Needs plenty of work, but I guess it is doable at the right price. I had a buddy that did an Irwin 52 refit. You might try contacting Gene Gammon to see what he knows about it...
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Re: Advise to damaged IRWIN 52

I looked at this boat also and passed. I was told it partially sank at the slip.
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