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Re: Morgan OutIsland 41 for Bluewater?

I think it has often been said by folks in the business that "Charlie Morgan never built a bad boat." And from a relative point of view, isn't every cruiser really a mediocre performer, when compared to a performance boat? Cruiser, may need to carry four or six souls and an extra ton or two of provisions. A hundred gallons of water? 800+ pounds, right there. Fifty gallons of fuel? Woops, there goes the boot stripe underwater.

So, mediocre performance. That's a very relative thing, and a lot of high performance boats would be damned hard pressed to carry the payload of a serious cruiser. Or to have enough cabin space for a pool table and jacuzzi, which the real cruisers certainly require. :-)

Horses for courses, and all that good stuff.
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Re: Morgan OutIsland 41 for Bluewater?

I would add that those who have their experience based upon time sailing the fin keeled featherdusters should expect to learn some new techniques for sailing a heavy full keeled boat. I've heard some say that the boat is unresponsive; unable to sail close to the wind or not able to tack in light winds. These are the problems typical for those that are accustomed to fin keel performance boats. There's a different insight in harnessing the inertia of a heavy cruiser and feeling where the boat is making the best way on.
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I would add that those who have their experience based upon time sailing the fin keeled featherdusters should expect to learn some new techniques for sailing a heavy full keeled boat. I've heard some say that the boat is unresponsive; unable to sail close to the wind or not able to tack in light winds. These are the problems typical for those that are accustomed to fin keel performance boats. There's a different insight in harnessing the inertia of a heavy cruiser and feeling where the boat is making the best way on.
What new techniques do you have in mind.
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Re: Morgan OutIsland 41 for Bluewater?

I don't think there are any new techniques to tacking a heavy or mulish boat. When something outwieghs you by ten or twenty tons, you have to realize that unless you play smarter than it does, you're going to lose every time.

If you've ever tacked a boat, any boat, even a hot racing boat, and wound up in irons...you may know that inertia and timing are everything. Heavy mulish boat that doesn't want to come about gently or delicately? OK, fall off, trim up, get some excessive speed and momentum by whatever means works best for you, and then kick the mule. It will go over. How you time the tack, how much rudder braking you cause, it may be an alien experience compared to a light fin keeler, but it is a matter of studying the "opposition" and then outsmarting it.

Then there's some folks who realize the boat isboth stronger and smarter than they are. They just buy bow thrusters instead. :-)
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What new techniques do you have in mind.
I think Hellosailor describes the technique that would be new to someone used to a light weight fin keeled boat. It requires more sensitivity to notice when a heavy full keeled boat is trimed to it's optimum in lighter wind or to be able to reconize just when the rail is lifting with a bone in her teeth when the wind is stronger. All these performances are more immediate and apparent on a light weight fin keeled boat. The helmsman on a heavy cruiser will have to hold the point of a sweet spot for maybe eight to ten seconds before the boat's response gives the feedback to the helm.
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Re: Morgan OutIsland 41 for Bluewater?

I was expecting folks to recommend letting the jib back-wind to force the bow over. Standard Hobie 16 technique.
Most any boat will tack like that right?

Was wondering if there were any other techniques besides:
1. Basic feel
2. back-winding the jib.
3. Falling off a little to increase speed
4. Trimming sails to increase speed
5. Timing of waves to help push the bow.
6. Being careful about the speed of the turn to not stall the boat with the rudder.
7. Knowledge that with certain wind an current conditions it's just not going to happen.

what else do you have?
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Re: Morgan OutIsland 41 for Bluewater?

The Morgan OI center cockpit ketches are the best cruising and live-aboard vessels in any bang-for-the-buck contest. A well-maintained 47' is close to heavenly, and the 41's are comfortable for an island-hopping couple or menage. Two staterooms and two heads, one SR for'ard, the other huge one over the rudder. To get comparable capability in any other brand you'll need to go bigger and spend a lot more money.

The only real changes I'd advocate would be to put in a 50+ horse diesel, a cutter stay for a storm jib, and replace any wooden toe-rail with a pierced aluminum one. Be wary of making new holes below the waterline in any vessel, but a water-maker's intake is best made well forward.

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