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Garrett,

I have just spent the past few years on the trail of a boat too, and here is a very short summary of what I found:
1. Boats that are cheap: fixer-uppers--take the price and double it to get a serviceable boat that is safe and you''re proud of it. Good to do if you enjoy tinkering and live somewhere with long off-seasons, you really get to know the boat
2. Boats that are market-priced: likely maintained but things are getting old. Take the price of the boat and add 20% for new stuff and a few electronics and go sailing.
3. Premium priced boats: the owner has "evergreened" the boat, ie things that got old were replaced with modern updates of that part, eg. radios, engines, thru-hulls and heaters. Yes you paid for it-- but nowhere near what he did. You can sail away.

My philosophy is that life is too short to spend it on an ugly boat. The result of my quest:a Catalina 22 demo boat that was 2 years old and loaded, for a good price, plus half ownership in a 20 yr old Beneteau 345 that had been (and still is) evergreened.
It''s a personal choice based on money and time.
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Thx Guys and Gals,

Great insights, thoughts and ideas....

I am a novice, just learning, so am looking for a low $$ boat to learn and practice on. Thus the quest for least $$, but a good practice/learning boat....so if I crunch into the dock or hit some rocks near a shore I won''t panick as bad.. =)

I am looking, and all thoughts are always welcome...thx again!

Garrett
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First of all...go with what''s in your heart..there is a lot of good advice from everyone here! It''s been my lifelong dream to own a sailboat and learn to sail. I grew up on motorboats. I just bought a 30 yr old 26'' sailboat. She needs some work, but her spirit is there! I just need to be able to restore her glory! After talking with several people...I think I have been blessed with the right company that will do the structural work and I, you heard it, I am going to learn to do the so called "grunt work" myself!!! The job may be a whole lot bigger than me, but nothing in this world has ever stopped me before...so like I said in the beginning...follow your heart!
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Reading the previous messages about the used vs.new boat dilemma has been very informative and timely for me! I''ve just begun the process of looking for a 30''-33'' cruiser and have narrowed my choices down to the Beneteau 321, Jeanneau Sunlight 30, and possibly a Catalina 310. Based on above discussions I''ll further narrow my search for boats in the 4-6 year old range. I''m a solo woman and don''t want to spend all my weekends repairing and "tinkering"--not my idea of fun. Tempted to buy new, but will focus now on used and further narrow to a 4-6 year old boat. Would welcome opinions about any of the above choices, especially from owners.

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Truromoon
Your reply hit a cord as we are looking for a boat in a similar range ie 33 foot. I noticed in your reply you didn''t mention a Hunter, any particular reason? I''ve been looking at a ''95 336 and would be curious if anyone has comments as well.
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In my experance with my boat, 1973 Coronado 23 that was very well maintained by the original owner, I paid $4000, including the trailer and lot of extra parts, safty gear, and a decent motor. I think I get as much enjoyment or more than would from a $20,000 or more for a new boat of the same size. If I forget to put a fender when I dock I am not going to cry if I get a scratch like I would with a new boat. And my boat is old enough that it is not going to loose much more value if any at all like a new boat would. I did replace the rigging, and added some new blocks and a bow roller over the winter after sailing for a couple months last year and do plan to put in a teak and holly floor this winter and buy some new sails. But it would take a lot of spending to equal the cost of a new boat. But the key is finding a good used boat that you can sail right away and do upgrades along and long and not major work because something is broken when you bought it and if you are a casual sailer, once a week or less, then an older boat would be a better bet. I do drool over the nice new big 35-42 foot Hunters that are for sale at the marina where my boat is and if I was planning on sailing away and never coming back then a new boat would be my bet but if you are like me, small boat, sheltered area, then go good used boat.
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From a cost factor you don''t want to buy an old boat that needs major equipment. Buying new sails, furling gear, rigging, motors, cushions, etc will push way past the price a nice used rig with all gear in good condition. Look for a boat that just needs cosmetics. Then it costs only your sweat equity.

C22s are plentiful and very easy to find at A1 prices. If there is one boat out there you can find deals on it is the C22. Find an older one that has good basic equipment, a motor that has the long shaft "sailor" leg and trailer with tongue extension. Here in Floida that would be around $3k everyday. The difference between an old excellent C22 and an old dog C22 is $1000-$1500. How much is your time worth?
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