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Re: Full Keel

Tashiba 31 PHRF 234
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Right but we are talking about the Tashiba 36 not the 31.
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"Overweight tanks"?

I agree with you and I chuckle when I think back to 1974 when a noted yacht designer writing an article in YACHTING wrote that the Valiant was "too light to be considered a serious offshore boat".

Early this year (stop me if I told you this already) we raced my buddie's Baba 35, pilot house model, in the Race Your House race in Seattle. It's a race for only liveaboards. It was a very varied fleet with Catalinas, Hallberg Rassy's Ingrids, Cape George cutters and other cruising type boats. We had a good breeze with gusts up over 20 knots at times. We got second in class and sailed boat for boat upwind and down with many fin keel boats and did manage to beat a lot of them boat for boat. It was a testimony to what a good, full keel boat could do. We did not point as well as the fin keelers but we only gave up about 4 degrees of AWA to them. It was a kick in the ass to watch the faces of the competitors as we hung in there with them. "What are yoiu doing here?"

I try not to generalize about boat types. Some of my very best designs are the Tashiba series 31, 36 and 40 full keel boats. They can surprise you with their performance. The tall rig Baba/ Tashiba 40 AIRLOOM is a regular race winner on Puget Sound.
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Perhaps the boat sails a bit better than that 234 rating? I know my Westsail 32 sails better than her 216 rating....
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Do you race your Westsail? If so where?

There is a W-32 that has been very succesfully raced in California. But this is a very well equipped boat with very good sails and some good sailors sailing it. It's not your Mom and Pop Westsail so I would consider it indicative of the design as a prodction boat with the current rating. Still very impressive though on the right race course. I always watch their racing efforts with interest.
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I do race my boat but she is not the boat you are thinking of, that would be Oregonians boat, SARABAND. You know, the one you just called BS on.

His sails are actually at least 20 years old and his rig is standard... and the interior is definitely not stripped out. So old dacron sails (except for the old nylon spinnaker and reacher/drifter)

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Yes, SARABAND was the boat I was thinking of and I most certainly did not call BS on the boat in any way. I have watched him race that boat for several years and admired the results. I do not know the man. He does very well racing that boat. I thought there was a fairly recent interview with him where he talked about a Kevlar genoa. I must be mistaken. By "turbo" I was not inferring a taller rig, just a well set up sail plan considering the boat is a Westsail. Nor did I say anything about the interior at all. Now you must be confused. I have no idea what his interior is.
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I started reading this thread hoping to get some info about bulb and wing keels. I like deep fin keels and was wondering how bulb and wing keels compare. Thanks, Jim.
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I started reading this thread hoping to get some info about bulb and wing keels. I like deep fin keels and was wondering how bulb and wing keels compare. Thanks, Jim.
Bulbed keels are used on "normal" draft boats, wing keels are used in swallow draft boat as a way to partially compensate the difference in draft. The compensation is some but not much. The draft is very important to a sailboat, not only to make it lighter ( a wing keel has to be heavier to compensate the RM) but to better the upwind performance.

If you want to have an idea of the difference in performance you can go to a PHRF list and compare the same boat with wing keel and deep draft and you will see that there are a very considerable difference.

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Hi Paulo.
So I take it leeway would be worse with bulb/wing keels?

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