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Re: Full Keel

When I was young I saw some smaller boats, mostly under 25' long, that did not have self draining cockpits. They had a vinyl or rubber coated cloth liner for the cockpit well and if you shipped water you just lifted it up by a handle to drain the water over the side.
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Re: Full Keel

There's nothing like that on the Tums - just an open bilge with a bucket and bilge pump.. but the same goes for the old 6-metres, 22-square metres, Dragons, YW Diamonds, Couta boats, Mullet-boats, Cornish Shrimpers, etc., etc.., etc...

Like somebody famous once said: "The best bilge pump in the world is a frightened crew with a bucket"
Faster and mitiempo like this.
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Re: Full Keel

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I have been that 16 year old kid with the bucket. Raven, 24' open planing dinghy, 30 knots, lightning storm, you should have seen me bail while the boat was on it's ear.

I love those old Tums. I'm a sucker for any of those old Scandinavian double enders. A huge part of the inspiration for FRANCIS LEE came from those boats.
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Re: Full Keel

We all take self bailing cockpits for granted these days, but when I started sailing, the jury was still out on self bailing cockpits. The argument was that self bailing cockpit were much shallower than non self bailers and that the deeper cockpits were safer. Race boats like the Dragons, Luder 16, Folkboat, and many small cruisers were built with these deep cockpit.

A friend of mine sailed his Folkboat derivative with its non-bailing cockpit from England to France. When it came time for him to sail home the French authorities forbid him to leave and chained the boat to the dock as unsafe for the passage. His response occured after dark when he decided that he carried the big bolt cutters for reasons other than cutting away the rig after a demasting.

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"French authorities"

Well, they were authorities.
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Re: Full Keel

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We all take self bailing cockpits for granted these days, but when I started sailing, the jury was still out on self bailing cockpits.

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Bring back the Astrolabe and the hourglass! You might lose power to one of those newfangled GPS units.
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"French authorities"

Well, they were authorities.
Very true and very funny. I suspect that these French Authorities must have the same intimate knowledge of sailboats as some of the Internet Authorities that I have collided with over the years......
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Well, bucking bailing cockpits are certainly not an advancement on boat design but open cockpits (or semi-open) probably are, not to mention self bailing cockpits.

The complaints here respect not an improvement but the lack of it. They may been exaggerated regarding that particular boat but when I modified my traditional old 80 years sailboat to be more seaworthy one of the things I have done was providing it with a self bailing cockpit.

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Re: Full Keel

I was coming back from Canada, crossing the border and the US border agent asked me why I had been in Canada. I said what I always say, "I went to look at a boat."
He said, " What kind of construction.?
I said, "Composite, wood veneer over foam."
"He said, "That's not composite."

Then, pointing to my Scottish Glengarry he said, "What does that hat have to do with the boat?
I said, "Nothing. It's just my hat."

I'm not keen on the authorities.
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Re: Full Keel

During the purchase process for my boat, I crossed the border a couple of times. "Looking at boats" was what I said, and that seemed to annoy them as well..

Anyhow..

My father had a Downeaster 38 (full keel) that he circumnavigated on. He never could get that boat to back up straight. He always wound up having to warp off the dock.

So my question is:

Do people ever get good at backing up full keel boats? Can a truly skilled sailor do it? Or is it just something that they live with?
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