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The Laurin 32, Corona Ag, continues to do quite well in the ARC +. The Passport 40 continues to be last, as they close in on their destination. Why is it that the only full keeled boat, a double ender, and the shortest boat in the fleet is doing so well against the other smallish fin keeled boats? The Laurin does not have a “point” or two against it, it has every single point against it - according to the experts on this forum. Why is the modern fin keel, and all the superior formulas, not allowing those smaller boats to keep up with such an ancient design? Is this just another case (that happens most of the time) where only the ancient boat has a good sailor and all the other boats have Bozo sailors or simply weren’t “well sailed”? I am curious as to how the experts explain it this time? Honestly
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Simple - ancient full keel designs are simply faster than modern boats. The last 100 years of design change has only served to make boats slower.

I, myself, personally intend to continue being outspoken and opinionated, intolerant of all fanatics, fools and ignoramuses, deeply suspicious of all those who have "found the answer" and on my bad days, downright rude.
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Or, obviously the Laurin 32 is a faster sailing boat than the Passport 40...and by a wide margin

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.. that does not prove nothing except the boat is much better sailed than those bigger ones. ...

You (and others) said that a modern performance cruiser loaded would not be faster than an old design with full keel loaded. Here you just don't have any performance cruiser with the size of that old keeler and you just don't have the number of boats to take any relevant conclusion.
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Simple - ancient full keel designs are simply faster than modern boats. The last 100 years of design change has only served to make boats slower.
Racing boats with their fin keel designs are choosing slower speeds? That doesn't sound right to me.

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Racing boats with their fin keel designs are choosing slower speeds? That doesn't sound right to me.

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Racing boats? There are no racing boats on this transat, not even modern performance boats of a similar size. What do you mean be choosing slower speeds? you mean that some boats are better sailed than others or made a better routing? you can bet on that.

You can see that a Malo 43, is way ahead of a Bavaria match 42 that means that the Malo 43 is way faster than the Bavaria Match 42...right?

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Racing boats? There are no racing boats on this transat, not even modern performance boats of a similar size. What do you mean be choosing slower speeds? you mean that some boats are better sailed than others or made a better routing? you can bet on that.

You can see that a Malo 43, is way ahead of a Bavaria match 42 that means that the Malo 43 is way faster than the Bavaria Match 42...right?

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Paulo, is your only explanation that because the results don't fit with your theory the sailors are the difference? Its pretty funny that you left the caveat in your old post.

"Let me prove my point, but if things dont work out like I said they would, its because of the sailors" hahahaha

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Simple - ancient full keel designs are simply faster than modern boats. The last 100 years of design change has only served to make boats slower.
It would seem so in this instance.
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Who designed the Passport 40 anyway?
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Paulo, is your only explanation that because the results don't fit with your theory the sailors are the difference? Its pretty funny that you left the caveat in your old post.

"Let me prove my point, but if things dont work out like I said they would, its because of the sailors" hahahaha
No, of course not, it has nothing to do with sailing ability, crews and routing: everybody knows that a Laurin 32 is way faster than a Passport 40 and that a Malo 43 is way faster than a Bavaria Match 42, as the results of that Transat race....hum... transat cruise prove that without any doubt

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