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Somehow I think that is a critical statement re: full keelers performance.

How many of them have Sa/D ratios over 15 or so? I would venture "not many" and that short sail is the real cause of their rep for being slow in light air, or at least as much to blame as the wetted surface.

I met a guy once who had a hot rodded '65 Chevy Impala that would run the 1/4 mile in the 10 second range. That aircraft carrier was the automotive equivalent of a full keel but it had the "sail area" to make up for it.

Yes, and many people who sail these boats don't have the sails to make the boat move like it can. I prefer the heavier boat even if it means greater sail area than a lighter boat of similar length, because I like the way the heavier boat sails. Its a personal preference as others have stated in this thread.

Some make the assumption that, because they once sailed past a heavy full keeled boat "with all working sails flying" etc ad nauseum, that these boats are pigs.
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Dave 6330- We have had a bermuda40 three years now. She has a long flat keel w/centerboard. The most annoying thing about this boat is she don't back! I mean back strait. You kind of have to swurl her around while backing using prop walk. I am not sure how other full keelers back. I assume not well.
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Bob I'm sure you had nothing to do with the race results . You are correct in that a "slow" boat sailed well makes others take notice. Everyone expects a J boat to be fast.
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I think for many of us our boat choice reflects the painting we want to paint out on the water. It's a very subjective thing, very personal. Not sure, if you fall into this category and I suspect a lot of you do, that differences in performance really matter at all. You learn to compensate and plan trips around your boat's performace capabilities.
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Yes, and many people who sail these boats don't have the sails to make the boat move like it can. I prefer the heavier boat even if it means greater sail area than a lighter boat of similar length, because I like the way the heavier boat sails. Its a personal preference as others have stated in this thread.

Some make the assumption that, because they once sailed past a heavy full keeled boat "with all working sails flying" etc ad nauseum, that these boats are pigs.
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exactly. My little 23 foot Sea Sprite has a 30 foot tall rig. Not exactly small for a boat it's size. It's PHRF rating is not that great (in the 200s) but on a day the winds are blowing, she will bury the rail and keep right on going.

Bob is also right. Looks are the main reason any of us buy what we go. I will admit I am a traditionalist. I love traditional looking boats. If I wanted a speed demon, I would own a multihull
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I think for many of us our boat choice reflects the painting we want to paint out on the water. It's a very subjective thing, very personal. Not sure, if you fall into this category and I suspect a lot of you do, that differences in performance really matter at all. You learn to compensate and plan trips around your boat's performace capabilities.
Very perceptive, Sir. I guess it's just like the houses we live in (or lived in) and the cars we drive - our choices is going to be driven by a mixture of what we can afford, what serves our needs best, what looks best and what we feel best reflects the image we want to project. No "right" answer here and one size absolutely does not fit all.

As one who is about to re-enter the market, I value all opinions.

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"what we feel best reflects the image we want to project."

I'll think about that the next time I drive my Subaru Outback to town.
How the hell did I go from being a Mercedes guy to being an Outback guy?
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Re: Full Keel

I've never been too concerned about the image I project with my choice of cars. I drive cars that I like and that are nice to drive - period.

If you need a certain type of car to bolster your sense of self by projecting a certain image, well.... Time you grew up or grew a pair.
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Its pretty easy to back up my IP 460 I use the bow thruster to steer.
I enjoyed crossing Georgia Strait today from Pender Harbour to Nanaimo...waves and wind were hard on the beam once we cleared Texada...we baked bread,drank coffee, took pictures but saw no other sailboats crossing...maybe they were waiting for better forecast on Wednesday(no wind).
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"...I finally understood that the whole point of boats, is, FUN!. That means that whatever you want to do is OK! The problem appears when people start thinking that there is one type of boat that will do all things. There isn't, you see."

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