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We haven't seen any pics of the local boat but have seen over a hundred of the E38-200. I'm just not getting the warm fuzzies. It's a beautiful boat and has great reviews. I think it's just something with me. I recently saw a Swan 371 that was in our price range (kinda ) and I just melted. The flush decks, winches everywhere, that thoroughbred racer look. Back in the 70s and 80s I would drool over Swans and Baltics and dream about racing. Even though all I ever did was club racing, I loved it! And when not racing I'm constantly trimming the sails, checking the telltales, and trying to hit maximum speed. I was even doing that a few weeks ago on that Jeanneau we went out on. Maybe it's in my blood.

Those racing thoroughbreds aren't practical for me today. I know that. But my heart doesn't care. Even though one of those may kill me, I'd go out with a smile on my face. I'm doing my best to keep those crazy emotions at bay.
Well perhaps you should look into the E39 flush deck, really nice boats and go for great prices. they seem to have a very livable layout as well. I spoke to an owner who had just sold theirs and he said the cabin was very bright even without the big cabin house windows, mainly because of the hatches. He thought it would make a fine live aboard. He had no skin in the game as he already sold his boat. He also said it was a great sailor. They are supposed to be quite stiff but have a bit more draft that I want to deal with on the east coast and Hudson river sailing.

Hey if your search gets you to the east coast we should meet up to look at some boats. Looks like our search is for very similar boats and I promise I will give you first dibs! ;-) I prefer the cruiser look anyway, racing looks like a good way to spill your drink.
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Re: Sea Trial Only After Sales Contract?

Julie,

I didn't mean to imply the owners will traditionally be available to you. Most buyers do not want them around when initially viewing the boat. Brokers often want them to scoot as well, for two reasons.

First, it can make the buyer uncomfortable to really look around and then not feel comfortable they really saw the boat.

Second, owners make lousy sales people. That's why you want to ultimately get to them, if you can.

You're very wise to at least want to hear the boats story and how she was loved.
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Re: Sea Trial Only After Sales Contract?

Julie, I emphasize with you. This is a big purchase. The cold comfort is the buying experience does get easier on subsequent boats. You are going about this the right way. You are being methodical, working the numbers and doing tons of research. Whatever boat you wind up with, will be the right one. Follow your muse – the “right” boat will speak to you (It did for me).

My experience on Erickson’s echoes what you read. On Windy San Francisco Bay they have the reputation of being a “noodley” boat. Not so much initial stability, but they eventually harden up. Their design is influenced by the IOR rule. Taller aspect mast and pinched ends and wide beam mid-hull. This does not make them a bad boat. You will get better lighter air performance. You can “stiffen” the boat up by buying non-stretchy sails (UK Spectra Tape Drives made the world of difference on a friend’s E35.) Cunningham and outhaul tension helps a lot too. Nothing wrong in reefing to keep her on her feet too. An E38, Maverick, from the Bay Area, did a circumnavigation about ten years ago (albeit, they suffered stressed induced structural damage crossing the Atlantic.) The Erickson’s are fine boats and would work perfectly well in the Great Lakes as well as both coasts. But, if you want something stiffer, consider a Catalina (but not their 38) or Newport.
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Re: Sea Trial Only After Sales Contract?

How about this?

1970 Columbia 43 sloop sailboat for sale in Illinois

I love it, but too far and bigger than what a single guy needs though it seems to work well for Jack on the show Revenge.

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1980 Mariner 36'SLOOP Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

I have been in touch with the owner, he is very knowledgeable. The boat seems to have had excellent care but does need some attention. I think she would need new sails at least and likely both standing and running rigging. His website describes things then went wrong when he did the "Loop" and shows lots of detailed photos. I think he has just not been able to take care of it in the last few years. Super nice guy, at least thru email. If it were on the east coast it would likely be mine.

Sankaty

I think he is willing to deal. He has had it for sale for quite a while. I really like the Mariner 36 good cruising boat but not a slug by any means.
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Re: Sea Trial Only After Sales Contract?

I "cut my teeth" on a Columbia 45. I knew that boat inside and out. If it weren't such a tub, I'd actually consider it but my better half vehemently nixed it.

That picture was taken around 1975-'76. My dad got the spinnaker from a client. It wasn't cut for the boat but worked well enough. He liked the pic because he lived in the building right behind the boat, on the left, so he got his boat and home in one photo.
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Re: Sea Trial Only After Sales Contract?

Something that hasn’t been mentioned here are terms of sale. What’s the point of an owner doing a sea trial if you are then going to offer him 50% less than he’s asking with owner financing and a closing six months later?

That is one of the reasons for a ratified contract with all terms and contingencies spelled out with earnest money paid prior to the owner spending time and money to go for a sail. An owner wants to know that you are ready and able to buy his boat now.

Actually, this process protects the buyer as well. Until you have a ratified contract the owner is free to sell to anyone he chooses even if you have a verbal understanding of price. How would you feel after having bought your plane tickets to find out that another buyer with a higher number had appeared and you are out?

People sometimes fall in “love” with boats but there is nothing romantic or mystical about the business side of the buying process.
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Re: Sea Trial Only After Sales Contract?

There's all kinds of ways to look at the whole boat buying process. But I wouldn't equate it to buying a plane ticket. It's not like buying a car. It's not just like buying a house either. You don't get to draw up a sales contract and spend a weekend living in the prospective house. It is what it is and there's nothing I can equate it to, from what I know so far. We'll just go with the flow.

On another note...

I just got some pics from the broker. Just exterior but she looks well maintained. I'm hoping they have kept records of any work they have done.

I wonder what odds Vegas is laying down on the chance of us getting some sailing in this season on our new boat?
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This one, while never chartered, will allow you to charter her for one week to try her out, then reduce the purchase price by the charter fee. Just what you're looking for. She's my dream boat.......... If you buy her, I will hate you.

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This one, while never chartered, will allow you to charter her for one week to try her out, then reduce the purchase price by the charter fee. Just what you're looking for. She's my dream boat.......... If you buy her, I will hate you.

2004 Oyster 62 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com
We're making an offer on the Oyster now but included a free 3 year sea trial in the offer. If they don't accept it, we're walking!
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