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Re: Help me find my next boat 24-29 foot

Have fun. If I were in town I'd offer to take you out on my boat, but I'm currently cruising around BC.

I liked the C25 a lot. I think it's too small for extended cruising with a couple (we're doing about 7 or 8 weeks of cruising this summer) due to not enough storage space and not having standing room. That's why we sold it and got 3-foot-itis. The Pearson feels bigger than many 30' boats, so it's been a major upgrade in space.

It's great for weekend-length cruising, around the buoy racing, and day sailing. We had one with the tall rig and with good sails it's actually a pretty good light air boat. I've been next to it a few times with my Pearson where we could get the Catalina moving faster. However once we're up to a little more wind (or motoring) the Pearson is faster.

We sold the C25 to friends, so I'm lucky to get to sail it on a regular basis.
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Re: Help me find my next boat 24-29 foot

going to look at a few C25's, an o'day 25, and any other boats I can.

I looked at a hunter 26.5 and loved it! Slight ducking headroom and very bright cabin. loved the flat open deck too. They are too pricy in my neck of the woods though. One dealer has a catalina 30 with atomic 4 for $4900! Not sure I want to look at it. I would look at that one C25 in Michigan but it has no trailer. Lots around here with trailers for the same price range. I'm even open to transportable sailboats as I only have to move it twice a year. I still love the 25-27 range though.
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Re: Help me find my next boat 24-29 foot

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going to look at a few C25's, an o'day 25, and any other boats I can.

I looked at a hunter 26.5 and loved it! Slight ducking headroom and very bright cabin. loved the flat open deck too. They are too pricy in my neck of the woods though. One dealer has a catalina 30 with atomic 4 for $4900! Not sure I want to look at it. I would look at that one C25 in Michigan but it has no trailer. Lots around here with trailers for the same price range. I'm even open to transportable sailboats as I only have to move it twice a year. I still love the 25-27 range though.
Go look at the 30'. Look at lots of boats, even ones you don't think is what you are looking for. As I said earlier, we had decided the C-27 was the boat for us. After looking at another 27 and the broker could tell we weren't impressed, he said "hey, I've got a C-30 you might want to look at". At the time, we didn't even know they made 30's. "Well, as long as we are here, sure, why not". We practically bought it on the spot.
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Re: Help me find my next boat 24-29 foot

Update:

Just put a 1987 Ericson 26 on purchase pending survey. Drastic price reduction as it had been on the hard for over a year and current season is half over. Looked in great shape and the size we wanted.

+'s inboard universal diesel, and well rigged, we both like the cabin and cockpit.

-'s no cradle or trailer (worse case it's just over $1000 to store this winter until we can find our own cradle/trailer)

We have 10 acres of land and live 20 minutes from our marina on lake michigan. It would be nice to store on our property for the winter.

anyone know any good surveyors on the IL/Wi boarder?

anyplace to find used cradles/trailers? I'm hoping that does not cost more than the boat
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Re: Help me find my next boat 24-29 foot

I advise you to really mull over your stated preference for an inboard diesel. What is it about that design that appeals to you?

I say this because there are sailboats with an outboard hanging off the stern, which I'd agree is not very desirable (aesthetically or performance-wise when motoring in rough conditions). But there are many 25-28 footers though with purpose-built outboard wells that are a very different story. Easy access, modest maintenance, decent performance and lower cost of ownership are all there. This design could be in a boat you otherwise find to be a very good fit for your other needs.

Our Hinterhoeller HR28 has such a design and since we use the engine maybe only 10% of our time in the boat, we find our outboard-well design to be entirely satisfactory, even preferable. When our 15 HP needed service, out it came and we dropped in a 5 HP a friend had... 30 minutes and we were back in business. (We were also shocked at how well 5 HP moved a 7,000 pound boat, though in calm conditions).

Anyway, I encourgae you to consider if a purpose-designed outboard well could meet your needs in a 25-30 footer.
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Re: Help me find my next boat 24-29 foot

O'Day 272? if you take that recommendation you'll hunt him down and kill him...lol....I delivered one once...wanted to sink it after a brutal day on the Delaware Bay. Following sea? May as well be in a bathtub....

Anyway. I always point to Cal's. A Cal 29 is one fun boat to sail. Plenty of headroom, roomy, nice wood interior with head and vanity (on the 2-29's).

I have this Cape Cod Blue Chip 30 here (only 24 made), could deliver it to you. On the Chesapeake at the moment. They want $15g, would take 12...but great boat.
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Re: Help me find my next boat 24-29 foot

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I advise you to really mull over your stated preference for an inboard diesel.
Lower fuel costs, greater durability, higher torque, no cavitation, no blower required, a real alternator, no carburetor to varnish up, spark plugs to foul, coils to die, or ethanol eaten fuel lines to worry about, and if one keeps up on the minimal maintenance required, you never have to worry about how easy it is to swap out.

Lots of sailboats out there with reliable 30 year old diesels still chugging away- not many with reliable 30 year old 2 stroke outboards.
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Re: Help me find my next boat 24-29 foot

I was in your situation this last year, looking for a boat in the same length range. I recently bought a Pearson 28-2, recommended previously in this thread. It does fit your criteria quite nicely (it has been described as an ideal 'first big boat'). I agree with Alex, however, that you're unlikely to find one in your stated price range, unless it needs real work.

Here are some tips from my search, in case they are useful to you:

(1) Come up with a list of desired characteristics, based on how you plan to use the boat. Try to keep the list of deal breakers short and to things that cannot be modified. Some people come up with a short list of models at this stage and restrict their search to those.

(2) Ask for advice but recognize that (a) there are lots of different opinions on size/keel/draft/engines and (b) everyone loves their own boat. You'll get a lot of suggestions for the boat the poster owns, or has owned.

(3) Find a good previous owner! Honestly, once I found a great PO my search was over. Get a boat that was well-cared for and you won't spend the next few years scratching your head over their incompetence or bemoaning their neglect.

(4) Expand your budget if you can to get a boat in better condition. And be prepared for the other costs: (a) survey (b) slip (c) insurance (d) taxes. Depending on your sailing area, these might add up to half of your stated budget.

Good luck with your search!

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Re: Help me find my next boat 24-29 foot

Thanks all for the Great replies!!!

so far I have found quite a bit of boats in the 25-30 range with inboard diesels for $5 and less. One was reduced from $9k to $3k for quick sale. There are a lot of boats in this size range on the hard, neglected, and with willing sellers.

our criteria has changed though per the master and commander (wife)

1. Has to be Trailerable with a trailer as we have lots of land and it makes no sense to pay to store. Buying a trailer separately is way to hard or expensive.

2. Has to have a mast that can be stepped solo or with no more than two others. She does not want to spend money on crane fees

3. still have an enclosed head/porta potti

4. Engine: we are ok with either inboard or outboard. Most boats that fit the above criteria come with an outboard. Inboard diesel is still my top choice but I will consider outboards

5. Cost in the $10K range but we will spend around $5K range or we just keep what we have. We have looked at a lot of boats in this range up to 30ft. Some in quite nice shape and some full of water (though the owner said they were in great shape). I have noticed prices keep going down and down. Most lowball offers that I have given are taken which lets me know lots of sellers are looking to sell cheap in this range.

I found a nice PY26 for $4500 but it has a keel stepped mast and I don't think I could step that with a friend. Even has a trailer.


I looked at a few hunter 25.5's and really liked them though both were on the hard and neglected. The nicer of the two had a soggy deck sole and full of water.

I even looked at an O'day 23 that was day and night different from the catalina 22
It had a much larger feel to it and a small enclosed head. I liked the stub keel and centerboard too. It was a large feeling 23' foot boat. I wish I could find a 25 in my area though.

I just ordered quite a few books from amazon to help.
The trailer sailer
twenty affordable sailboats to take you anywhere
twnty small sailboat to take you anywhere
inspecting the aging sailboat
The Sailor's Book of Small Cruising Sailboats: Reviews and Comparisons of 360 Boats Under 26 Feet

This search for the next "one" may take some time I'm starting to think
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Re: Help me find my next boat 24-29 foot

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I was in your situation this last year, looking for a boat in the same length range. I recently bought a Pearson 28-2, recommended previously in this thread. It does fit your criteria quite nicely (it has been described as an ideal 'first big boat'). I agree with Alex, however, that you're unlikely to find one in your stated price range, unless it needs real work.

Here are some tips from my search, in case they are useful to you:

(1) Come up with a list of desired characteristics, based on how you plan to use the boat. Try to keep the list of deal breakers short and to things that cannot be modified. Some people come up with a short list of models at this stage and restrict their search to those.

(2) Ask for advice but recognize that (a) there are lots of different opinions on size/keel/draft/engines and (b) everyone loves their own boat. You'll get a lot of suggestions for the boat the poster owns, or has owned.

(3) Find a good previous owner! Honestly, once I found a great PO my search was over. Get a boat that was well-cared for and you won't spend the next few years scratching your head over their incompetence or bemoaning their neglect.

(4) Expand your budget if you can to get a boat in better condition. And be prepared for the other costs: (a) survey (b) slip (c) insurance (d) taxes. Depending on your sailing area, these might add up to half of your stated budget.


Good luck with your search!

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I'm really starting to think this is the way to go

so many people have neglected boats on the hard that have old photos on the listing when the boat was in bristol condition. I feel like the old days of online dating with women using HS or college photos when they were no longer in that condition.
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