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Re: Tartan(s), Sabre, Pearson(s), C&C(s), Catalina(s) - "Chesapeake Draft"

BTW, maybe found a Tartan 37 in Texas, near Houston if all this pans out. Comments/recommendations on Salt water boats? I know Great Lake and Texas lake boats seem to bring a premium for "fresh water", but, hey, it's a boat, right? (or am I just showing my ignorance of: "dummy, it's an old boat you're looking at, and salt water is not a good mix with old boats!").
Also, the boats I'm starting to mention (the bigger ones) will be erased quickly if I only have $20-25k to put in....

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Re: Tartan(s), Sabre, Pearson(s), C&C(s), Catalina(s) - "Chesapeake Draft"

Pm me...Im near Baltimore

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Consider More than the boat

There's the boat purchase price and the cost of ownership price. Going up every 3 ft roughly doubles your ownership costs. So a 33 ft boat is 2X more costly to own than a 30ft boat. Storage fees, taxes, bottom paint, sails, moorage/dock fees are more expensive and recurring costs.

So before you go out and buy a 34-37' boat because you can get it a "great price" and you envision needing all the room, gadgets, phrf performance, etc. , figure out what the annual cost of ownership will be. First question when looking for dockage for the night, winter storage, taxes, etc....."How Big is Your Boat?"

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Re: Tartan(s), Sabre, Pearson(s), C&C(s), Catalina(s) - "Chesapeake Draft"

Rob,

You started out this thread by implying that you want a different boat because the draft of your current boat concerned you in your current location. Later you've moved to getting a different boat so that you can sail to the Bahamas. And increased the boat size. It's kinda like trying to help a moving target.

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Re: Tartan(s), Sabre, Pearson(s), C&C(s), Catalina(s) - "Chesapeake Draft"

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I "moved up" from a C&C 30 MKI to a C&C 30 MKII. Draft for the wing keel is 4' 10"

Space down below is bigger than most 30 footers, including the Catalina 30.

Aft cabin, walk through transom, aft head with room for a comfortable shower, six opening ports (not including the companionway and forward hatch), big lazarettes, propane locker and 6' 2"+ headroom throughout the cabin.

I think if you compared this boat with most other boats below 34' you would be amazed.

Did I mention it's pretty darn fast and easy to sail?
Rob, never been aboard a C&C 30 MKII. Just looked at one online. Interesting boat.

One thing I should mention with the Catalina 30's is that the MKIII boats (after '95) are different in a lot of significant ways from the earlier boats. It's not just the open transom.

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Re: Tartan(s), Sabre, Pearson(s), C&C(s), Catalina(s) - "Chesapeake Draft"

Something that I always look at on boats is access to the engine, plumbing, electrical and seacocks since I do all my own work.

All boats are a bear to work on, but some are MUCH harder than others. A boat with an inaccessible engine would get crossed off my list no matter what its other virtues.

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Re: Tartan(s), Sabre, Pearson(s), C&C(s), Catalina(s) - "Chesapeake Draft"

@Donna,
This thread has helped me think of many new considerations. Draft is a primary issue, but so is livability and do I want to get that boat that doesn't have to be a "trade-up" later - and as we have more free time (whatever that is!) and can go further, is it capable of transiting to Bahamas, something I'd like to do someday.
@DrB,
That exact thought crossed my mind last night as I "laid me down to sleep"
Cost - operating, et.al. is an ongoing issue.....I was thinking about slip fees, and the over 35' seems the magic number for a much larger yearly bill, winter storage too........gotta ponder that one! May want to keep below (still like that Tartan 37 though!).
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C&C's are nice, need to get aboard a few sizes and look. The C30 MKII looks real nice and has nice appointments. I think they are "too new", too much $ from what I've found on yachtworld and sailboatlistings.com to name a few.
Also, "right on" with work/access.......my P30 requires a contortionist to check the darn oil........do-able, but a bit harder at my age (54) and will only get tougher as I "age gracefully"

Back to Donna: I'm laughing a bit at myself.....I have had tangential thoughts pinging around in this thread.......so much to consider when choosing a "new" boat if this comes to pass. Based on my P30 and the likes/dislikes, and how long it took me to narrow that one down, the runoff ended with CAL30 and Pearson30, I now have a better feel on what the wife likes, and for this to be a family hobby, need to consider that so it stays a good thing for the whole family to enjoy, not just me.
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@DrB: not to mention sails, equipment, just keep on goin'....yep...seeing the dollars fly out of my wallet with bigger.....

@all:
That's why this discussion, albeit a bit "all over the map" is really helping me try to narrow the field like I did with my P30....went from a whole lot, to 2 choices, but didn't have the access to you folks to help.
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Re: Tartan(s), Sabre, Pearson(s), C&C(s), Catalina(s) - "Chesapeake Draft"

Ok, so let's say I stay with 33 or 34 footer. And I do relocate to Tidewater VA (Norfolk area) or New Bern, NC, I'll be doing Coastal Ocean sailing. I lived in California for 8 years and used to sail to Catalina Island and in Pacific Coast from San Diego to Oceanside areas. Will do the same if we are closer to Atlantic. And the Bahamas option will be in play too.
Question: Any 30-33/34 footers that should drop off the consideration, or boats that should be added based on this. Keep in mind that before this happens, (Donna!), I'll still need to keep my eye on draft for the Chesapeake.....BTW, I hear Bahamas have alot of shallow draft areas too......

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