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Re: Tartan(s), Sabre, Pearson(s), C&C(s), Catalina(s) - "Chesapeake Draft"

Have you looked at a Pearson 323? 4.5 Draft.
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Re: Tartan(s), Sabre, Pearson(s), C&C(s), Catalina(s) - "Chesapeake Draft"

I did and the PHRF is in the mid-170's. I'm trying to stay at the 150's or lower if possible. I think the 323 is more of a cruiser, than cruiser/racer.....total sail area is 477.02, vs about 510 to 550 for the 33-2, 34, 34-2's and they all sit in the 150 arena. I do like the interior layout, if it had the performance too, it would be a keeper for me!
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Re: Tartan(s), Sabre, Pearson(s), C&C(s), Catalina(s) - "Chesapeake Draft"

I've owned a 1985 Cal 33-2 shoal keel for the last 4 years and it would seem to fit your requirements pretty well. Base PHRF rating is 138 and draft is 4'8". Most seem to be priced from high 20s to 40s. I like the interior layout much better than most boats her size and its a great performer in both light and heavy winds. Here's a link with data.

CAL 33 (HUNT) sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com
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Re: Tartan(s), Sabre, Pearson(s), C&C(s), Catalina(s) - "Chesapeake Draft"

Have a CAL 35 MKII I found on Sailboatlistings.com - 1984 Cal 35 MK II sailboat for sale in Massachusetts
That I've saved....it's nice too, a Lapworth design. - 5' fin keel
The 33 (Hunt) Shoal (yours) is a very nice boat.....I've got that on the list too, Any issues I should know of with CALs?
I didn't mean to exclude them, for whatever reason they fell off, but shouldn't have. My 30' decision was shortlisted to P30 and CAL30, and I found a P30 I liked/condition I wanted first.

Appreciate the reminder.....what are the things to look for/avoid (other than the "obvious" moisture in deck, etc. Did CAL 33 and 35's have any known, special problems to look out for?
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Re: Tartan(s), Sabre, Pearson(s), C&C(s), Catalina(s) - "Chesapeake Draft"

Cal's (and lots of other boats) have the chainplates mounted to wooden bulkheads instead of to fiberglass knees. You need to give special attention to those in a survey to make sure that there isn't any rot.

I haven't been on a Pearson 33-2, but I'd guess that the chainplates go to fiberglass knees like in my 28-2. There is no bulkhead in a suitable location. I really like how these boats are rigged.

As an aside it's weird that Pearson rounded up the name of the 32.5' long boat to 33-2, but rounded down the name of the 28.5' boat to 28-2. There is a 4' difference in length, but a 5' difference in naming convention.
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Re: Tartan(s), Sabre, Pearson(s), C&C(s), Catalina(s) - "Chesapeake Draft"

The answer to your needs is a C&C 35 MKIII k/cb. Draft is 4'6" board up and 7 board down. Nice weighted board so it doesn't rattle in its trunk. Great 6'6" interior headroom. C shaped setee makes it a great set up for cruising. We sail the Chessie and also take her offshore to Ne England every year.

Most C&C are not cored hulls so don't let others scared you off. Thickness of hull fiberglass is huge compared to most boats. Topside have end grain balsa core which makes the boat stiff.
Lines lead aft. Gigantic anchor compartment and very large V compared to the other boats you are looking at. Large refrigerated box at 6 cubic , nice safe galley.

This model is a true racer/ cruiser which will keep you at the front of the pack with others on your heels with a PHRF of 127. Set up with drastic inboard jib tracks which allow for very tight pointing angles to windward and when it pipes up you drop the cb and sail inside made others. Good quality workmanship, nice warm teak inside with very little on the outside. Great lines.

We bought ours with a Sabre 36, and a Tartan 37 in close competition. It came down to which was in the best condition.

If you want a truly fast hybrid which is comfortable...can't go wrong with most C&C . Feel free to PM me if you wish to.

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Re: Tartan(s), Sabre, Pearson(s), C&C(s), Catalina(s) - "Chesapeake Draft"

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Appreciate the reminder.....what are the things to look for/avoid (other than the "obvious" moisture in deck, etc. Did CAL 33 and 35's have any known, special problems to look out for?
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Never been on a Cal 35, but the construction of my 33-2 is impressive. The shrouds are NOT just tied to plywood bulkheads, but stainless rods tie the loads into the structural grid. Hull is solid (no core) and interior finish is a step above most of the popular boats of her day. Engine access is exceptional. No unique issues to watch out for that I'm aware of.
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Re: Tartan(s), Sabre, Pearson(s), C&C(s), Catalina(s) - "Chesapeake Draft"

@Alex W: And why is the 34-2 really a 34.5' boat!! And the "old" P34 is a 33.78'.......one explanation might be the same as the one for my P30, a 29 and change' boat. The P30 has to be "under 30'" to allow it to compete on the race circle when it was first introduced...I think that the P34 might have similar rationale, but maybe the later Pearsons didn't have that race thing that they had to meet.....or something??

@Dave and Jim,
Thanks for info. As I further and further refine, I'm using the input to search in smaller and smaller circles.
Interesting that the Sabre 34MKI is a nice, nicely built boat, but 20 points higher than the MKII. I'm not sure what I'm really getting on a MKI that would justify the traditional layout inside and a higher PHRF number than the nicer, faster MKII that is over 50K and out of my range.

SABRE: Any Sabre owners want to chime in on the MKI....I know there is a very faithful following, and they are built well, but the galley, creature comforts (shower), seem limited on a 34'er.
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Re: Tartan(s), Sabre, Pearson(s), C&C(s), Catalina(s) - "Chesapeake Draft"

@Dave,
What year is your 35 MKIII?
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Re: Tartan(s), Sabre, Pearson(s), C&C(s), Catalina(s) - "Chesapeake Draft"

@Dave
Check this one out. Since you have one, This has an "unconventional" 5'5" keel. Was that a C&C option keel, or something someone did?
1984 C&C Mark III 35 sailboat for sale in Michigan
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