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Re: The usual to buy or not to buy... Beneteau mid-80s

Given the vintage. All looks normal for a Beneteau. The stanchion cracks look like normal wear and tear. The keel bolts actually look good if original. The picture of the bottom of the floor boards looks normal. Moisture can discolor the bene wood within a matter of weeks if exposed to a lot of moisture. Is it rotten or soft though? The list is normal for beneteau's given there light displacement and unequal distribution of weight.

The Bene's from the 80's were known to be well built. I had the chance to look at a 86 Bene First 40 the other day; it was immaculate and very well built.

The real question is...what do you like about this boat, and, can you find a better boat for the money.

You should pay for a quality survey.
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It looks fine to me, but I am not a surveyor.
Dont pull yourself up from the dock by the stanchions. they arnt made for it and you see what it does.

Keel bolts look fine. Many Beneteau haters tell you to replace them. Crazy.

Transmission oil is clear so you want to check that.

A 30 foot boat has to list if theres offset tankage.

I dont think osmosis was a problem with Beneteaus then (or now)

For $20,000 you cant afford a surveyor so just run the donk in geer and check the transmission oil and/or hire a mechanic for an hour and a yard worker for a bottom inspection.

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Re: The usual to buy or not to buy... Beneteau mid-80s

Thanks guys.

I've been researching the water tank placement, and I suspect it was originally port, so the fact it is empty probably accounts for the list.

I was talking to another Beneteau own of a similar year, and he had his rudder rebuilt a few years ago. Since the 2006 survey detected moisture, it's probably due to be rebuilt.

The transmission oil is clear & clean, I checked that, so good there.

I could afford a survey, but I like the idea of a mechanic on the engine & cutlass bearing, and yard worker on the bottom. It's always the people in the proverbial trenches that know the most.

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Re: The usual to buy or not to buy... Beneteau mid-80s

At 85 you are at the end of the window for the major osmosis issue.

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The early First Series boats were hard hit by the dreaded pox that swept through the industry from around 1983 to 1985 due to resin problems. Bénéteau itself was nearly sunk by the unexpected crisis. By 1986, the company had been forced to recall some 600 boats, including nearly all of its flagship First vessels, produced between 1983 and 1985. A supplier of a catalyst used to harden the gel-coat on the vessels' hulls had replaced an ingredient with another, water-soluble ingredient, resulting in the hulls developing a condition called osmosis, described by Bénéteau more or less as the "cancer of plastic." Although Bénéteau later successfully sued the supplier, the company struggled to rebuild its reputation and its sales through the middle of the decade. By 1987, the company, which absorbed the costs of refitting its recalled vessels told owners to take their boat to the yard, have a complete bottom job done and send them the bill. The result was that Beneteau established an impressive reputation and almost all their boats had professional osmosis jobs done.
Like I said it 'should' have been fixed but it would be high on my list of things to check.
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Thanks TQA. And wow... It was the first time I have heard the actual story of what happened. I've seen lot's of anecdotal Beneteau blistering & osmosis comments, but like I say, the first time I've heard what actually happened and why.
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you seem to be serious about this one. Bene are usually not bad.

This one is in need for some repairs. What can / want you do of these?
eg: it is not difficult to make a new rudder, but it does take some time. Probably you would need to do that during warm part of the year - when you should be sailing.

What price would you set on your own time? Lower if you enjoy it, higher if you hate the work.

and then those things you do have to buy.

Add it up, and see what price you are interested to pay for the boat!
Do not be fooled by the asked price.

Personally, I think it has a value not to have to start with repairs. Sailing one or two years and then do one major repair / year.

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Head liner for both Jeanneau and BEneteau amongh other builders the hull/headliner is common. Here is a before and after of the rear state room of my Jeanneau, there is also a link at the bottom for how I redid the head area too. Take this for what you paid for it.

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Neat, Marty.

Illustrates very well my point: a 30 year old boat needs some work. If one like, or at least accepts that, OK go for it. If not - look for something else.

The monetary price one pays for the boat when buying is just a beginning.

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I'll also point out, I did this thru out the boat, probably to the tune of 40-80 hrs of my time. Helps if the boat is close, you have a garage for the wood parts that are removed etc. As that is where I did all the work. My boat is 10 min away.

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Re: The usual to buy or not to buy... Beneteau mid-80s

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You could buy a lot more boat in the Chesapeake Bay area for the price.
Yes but what would the actual price end up being after freight and importation expenses?
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