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Interesting point that with the longevity of GRP boats and the rapidly sliding prices of old boats buying a plstic 50'er suddenly becomes a realistic financial possibility for folks with not so much money to spend.

It is hard enough maintaining a 42'er compared to our old 34. Anything bigger, unless you have a very healthy income would be crippling.

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I am with the crowd here. 50+ is a lot of boat to handle short handed. It's doable, but a lot of work, and you become very dependent on the systems to work for basic boat handeling. That being said, I grew up on an Irwin 54' and would highly recommend it in this class. Lots of room, very comfortable, and huge tankage. And we never had a proble with the boat itself.

Tdw, a large part of the drop in prices for older boats is that most of them are due for major refit work. Try pricing out a new engine, generator, AC's, and a rewire job, and the price starts to shoot up quickly.

As for the Formosa... I wouldn't ever buy or own a large boat with a wooden mast. The maintenance on them is just to high, and any dereliction in doing it regularly can lead to major issues down the road.

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I am with the crowd here. 50+ is a lot of boat to handle short handed. It's doable, but a lot of work, and you become very dependent on the synthesis to work for basic boat handeling. That being said, I grew up on an Irwin 54' and would highly recommend it in this class. Lots of room, very comfortable, and huge tankage. And we never had a proble with the boat itself.

Tdw, a large part of the drop in prices for older boats is that most of them are due for major refit work. Try pricing out a new engine, generator, AC's, and a rewire job, and the price starts to shoot up quickly.

As for the Formosa... I wouldn't ever buy or own a large boat with a wooden mast. The maintenance on them is just to high, and any dereliction in doing it regularly can lead to major issues down the road.
Thanks for the good advice Greg! I am with you as concerns a wooden mast and the Formosa have a LOT of wood in general and I'm not a big varnish fan! As far as size goes, 51' is the very largest vessel I would consider and will probably go smaller. I keep hoping somebody who owns, has owned, or knows some body who owns one of either of those classes and could give me some impressions.

Anyway, thanks for your opinion and all the best!
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Interesting point that with the longevity of GRP boats and the rapidly sliding prices of old boats buying a plstic 50'er suddenly becomes a realistic financial possibility for folks with not so much money to spend.

It is hard enough maintaining a 42'er compared to our old 34. Anything bigger, unless you have a very healthy income would be crippling.
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Re: Cruising vessel questions.

I'm OK with you getting either boat as long as you consider what you re getting into. Far as size, as long as the boat is setup properly with large winches etc I don't see it as that much more than a mid 40 footer.

My belief is that people should get the boat they want and like as long as they don't go in blind to issues.

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My belief is that people should get the boat they want and like as long as they don't go in blind to issues
Quite agree.. one of those issues, though, beyond 'want and like' is affordability beyond the purchase price. The difference between maintaining a 42-45 footer vs a 50+ footer can be substantial, it's not a linear thing. As tdw intimated, gear that can stand up to the heavier loads of the higher displacement costs much more.. more bottom paint, higher lift/storage/moorage fees etc etc. - even access to lift facilities can become an issue depending on where you are.

If it's the heavy, solid boat the OP is after, there are lots around, Bill Garden's SeaWolf/CT41s (and their derivatives), Hardin 45s just to name a couple that might fit the bill on the smaller side.

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I'm OK with you getting either boat as long as you consider what you re getting into. Far as size, as long as the boat is setup properly with large winches etc I don't see it as that much more than a mid 40 footer.

My belief is that people should get the boat they want and like as long as they don't go in blind to issues.
Really disagree with this post. I am out cruising and it is the 50 ft plus brigade that are often looking for crew as they find the boat to be too much for them.

At 50 ft you are going to find a 75 + lb anchor with 1/2 chain.

Your sails exceed the 400 sq ft rule for manageability.

Sure with power winches and everything working it is not an issue. But it is when things go wrong you need to be able to deal and at 50 ft + ??
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Re: Cruising vessel questions.

i read some survey maybe here or cruising world on the average size of boat, that mid 70s sailors are cruising and that was 32 feet,i recently single handed my p-32 to the bahamas, from maine and back to maine at age 62.i got in plenty of situations where i was glad to be small.much easyer in all respects than a larger vessel
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But it is when things go wrong you need to be able to deal and at 50 ft + ??
I would certainly go for a 50 footer if I wanted to upgrade the boat. I think the Bene and Jeneau 50's and even a few feet more are fine for solo sailing, if fairly new.

Certainly livability is better the larger the boat. To me it comes down, as I said before, to maintenance..


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I would certainly go for a 50 footer if I wanted to upgrade the boat. I think the Bene and Jeneau 50's and even a few feet more are fine for solo sailing, if fairly new.

Certainly livability is better the larger the boat. To me it comes down, as I said before, to maintenance..


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But do you feel the need? or do you find at 40 feet you have all you need both in seakeeping and living aboard?

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