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Iím looking for a sailboat to be used in the inland lakes in my area. And I have never owned a sailboat or really sailed one.
So far I have looked at a couple of 1979 220 Buccaneerís. People seem to love them or hate them. Is the boat of poor design or build?
One of them looks to be in exceptionally good condition. New paint, interior, hardware, etc. But if it is of poor design I guess my search will go on.

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Re: 220 buccaneer

Lennie - I have a Buccaneer 220. I am very happy with it. It sails really close to point well, it is very stabil and reasonably comfortable for fiberglass. Mine is the racing model - which has the shorter keel. I find that this makes it handle better with a bit more speed than it does in a gentle breeze. I think the longer keel would change this, but I prefer to run fast and Lake Superior usually has good wind. As to popularity, I have had a number of people come up to me because they used to have one. I think every one of them wished they had it back!
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Re: 220 buccaneer

I don't know this type of boat, but seems to be looking a lot like the Granada 23 from Denmark.
The Granada 23 sails very well.
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Re: 220 buccaneer

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Is the boat of poor design or build?
One of them looks to be in exceptionally good condition. New paint, interior, hardware, etc. But if it is of poor design I guess my search will go on.

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Actually, it is both. They were one of the first, be everything boats, cheap, roomy, sails well, etc. All of those compromises gave us a boat that was merely OK. The build quality was hit or miss, at best.

This boat was a knock off of the columbia 23, which was a decent boat, btw....the buccaneer not so much....they were built by Bayliner (not a quality power boat, either) as a way of staying in business when gas prices rose so quickly. Didn't work and they went away. US Yachts, not the one in business now, made a few of them late in the game and they were better built, to a degree.

As far as a lake boat, they can be fun, but check it out thoroughly, or take someone with you or pay a surveyor a couple of hours. The repairs to a wet one can easily surpass the value, no matter what you pay for it.

Better boats out there, but as always, YMMV and there are a lot of people who like them.
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Actually, it is both. They were one of the first, be everything boats, cheap, roomy, sails well, etc. All of those compromises gave us a boat that was merely OK. The build quality was hit or miss, at best.

This boat was a knock off of the columbia 23, which was a decent boat, btw....the buccaneer not so much....they were built by Bayliner (not a quality power boat, either) as a way of staying in business when gas prices rose so quickly. Didn't work and they went away. US Yachts, not the one in business now, made a few of them late in the game and they were better built, to a degree.

As far as a lake boat, they can be fun, but check it out thoroughly, or take someone with you or pay a surveyor a couple of hours. The repairs to a wet one can easily surpass the value, no matter what you pay for it.

Better boats out there, but as always, YMMV and there are a lot of people who like them.
But wait. This is the Buccaneer 220 your talking about?
Pretty sure the Buccaneer 220 is a Gary Mull design. Nothing to do with a Columbia 23.

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Re: 220 buccaneer

Sono is right - Mull design, actually a variation on the Ranger 22 design. Bayliner "quality" is as described, US yacht not a lot better but lets keep in mind we're talking about a 22' here, not a blue water boat. I've personally never heard of anyone dying on a sinking B-22.
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Re: 220 buccaneer

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Lennie - I have a Buccaneer 220. I am very happy with it. It sails really close to point well, it is very stabil and reasonably comfortable for fiberglass. Mine is the racing model - which has the shorter keel. I find that this makes it handle better with a bit more speed than it does in a gentle breeze. I think the longer keel would change this, but I prefer to run fast and Lake Superior usually has good wind. As to popularity, I have had a number of people come up to me because they used to have one. I think every one of them wished they had it back!
You DO know that this is a 10 year old post don't you?
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Apparently not.

Anyway, he'd been waiting long enough for an answer.
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