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I have seen a few Moorings boats as they come out of charter and I would be happy buying one of those.

A boat that comes out a third tier charter company will be an altogether different story.
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Mark - can you comment on your layout? From what it seems in your pictures, the 393 you have is *NOT* the standard charter configuration with the longitudinal galley. You look like you have the "owners edition" which is the 2 cabin model rather than 3 cabin.

My opposition to charters is mostly due to the fact that they cram in the cabins and heads into the boat. For example, I own a 343 2 cabin model. The same boat in charter (named the Beneteau 350) is 3 cabins with a very small head. Thats a lot to cram into a 34/35 foot boat.

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Mark - can you comment on your layout? From what it seems in your pictures, the 393 you have is *NOT* the standard charter configuration with the longitudinal galley. You look like you have the "owners edition" which is the 2 cabin model rather than 3 cabin.

My opposition to charters is mostly due to the fact that they cram in the cabins and heads into the boat. For example, I own a 343 2 cabin model. The same boat in charter (named the Beneteau 350) is 3 cabins with a very small head. Thats a lot to cram into a 34/35 foot boat.
Then you don't have "opposition to charters" you have oposition to 3 cabin configurations in 35 footer. Or, 5 cabins in 50 footers.

Just go find a boat with the configuration you want.... and buy it.

Mine is a 2 cabin version of the 393 and has the U galley

My layout. Where the other 393 layout is with 2 aft cabins and the longitudinal galley.

Remember a cabin can be converted from sleeping use to a store room, either temporaly or permanetly.

If I wanted a 50 footer with 5 cabins I would remove the partition in the forward cabin (yes, it can be done easily) and block one of the heads and remove the fittings and make storage.
I belive that one can NOT convert a 2 aft cabin configuration to 1 large aft cabin on the 393, 423 or 473 unless theres a fair bit of work.

I do agree with you that there won't be any 2 cabin 50 or 54 footers in charter fleets.... but thats what I would *love* for a single handing, or couples long range cruiser.

Below is some links to Sunsail where they show 36 footers, 38 and 393's in 2 cabin versions. So they are there.

Sunsail 38 - 2 Cabin Monohull Yacht | Sunsail USA
Sunsail Oceanis 393 - 2 Cabin Monohull Yacht | Sunsail USA
Sunsail 36i - 2 Cabin Monohull Yacht | Sunsail USA
Sunsail Oceanis 373 - 2 Cabin Monohull Yacht | Sunsail USA
Even a 41 footer in 2 cabins
Sunsail Odyssey 41 DS - 2 Cabin Monohull Yacht | Sunsail USA

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All I put on mine was clothes, a dinghy and a girlfriend.
Well thanks for that complete answer.

Since it is a popular model it should be easy to sell also.

Sadly I can't do what you did because all I have is a wife.

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To be honest, I'm surprised that the charterers carry "owner edition" low cabin count models.

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Mark, That's a beautiful boat, I love the layout.

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To be honest, I'm surprised that the charterers carry "owner edition" low cabin count models.
Don't be. As long as it meets Survey requirements, charterers carry whatever the local market (and the boat's owners themselves) are asking for.

Very often charter yachts are purchased by people who simply can't otherwise afford to own a brand-new luxury yacht and see chartering as a good way to help pay for it and maintain it in the hope that, once it's paid its way, they can take it out of the charterer's hands and have it all to themselves - only to find out after a year or two that their lifestyle has changed and they need to sell it instead...

....to people like Mark.
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One can also charter multiple types and styles of yachts too. The Maltese falcon is charter able, IIRC at about 100K USD per week! includes crew etc too!

Even full bore 100' wally race boats are available to charter! for one race here and there. A local crew chartered a boat for cowes week in England. Long ways from Seattle mind you! Folks from across the globe can go to some World Sailing championships, and will charter/rent a 1d boat local from someone too! Lots of boats are available to charter for and in different reasons shapes and forms. Not all of them are cruise style boats! I'd bet one can get the QEII for a week if one really wanted it!

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Since it is a popular model it should be easy to sell also.
Branding is important on the re-sale market. I was buying in the Caribbean with a view to selling in Australia. If its a brand nver heard of 'down under' it would be difficult to sell. But one where its known may sell at a premium.

Also the liquidity of the market is important. If 5 are sold per year in one country then to sell mine 'immediately' all I have to do is have the lowest price and it should be sold in 2 months.


Buying ex-charter isnt perfect. Perfect, for me, is buying brand new lickerty-split with all the options, air and fluffy dice. But if buying the reality has let me retire earlier and sail the world then, for me, it was the right thing to do.


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..... I'd bet one can get the QEII for a week if one really wanted it!
Actually, no you couldn't.

IIRC she's parked in Dubai awaiting an extensive dry-dock refit and refurbishment in China before becoming a floating hotel. One of many victims of SOLAS2010.

QE2 Cunard ms Queen Elizabeth 2 Ship Location, News, Dubai-SingaporeQueen Elizabeth Cruises

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