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Re: Catalina wing keel or fin keel?

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I'm not sure about it being overstated for those who sail in areas with mud bottoms. I've heard quite a few say that they got stuck and could only get free with help. I suppose sand won't create that same suction that mud would.
I would think heeling the boat over to get unstuck wouldn't work with a wing keel. It would just dig that edge in more. OTOH, if you wanted to dry her out in tidal conditions, it would probably sit on the wing nicely.
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I would think heeling the boat over to get unstuck wouldn't work with a wing keel. It would just dig that edge in more. OTOH, if you wanted to dry her out in tidal conditions, it would probably sit on the wing nicely.
No, it works, you just have to heel it over a little bit more (I have one). And, yes it will sit up, on the hard, straight up, with no supports (but, not recommended).
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Re: Catalina wing keel or fin keel?

We have a C-390 now after selling our C27. Both fin keels. The 390 has a 7'2" draft. We spent 7 weeks last summer sailing from Portland Ore. to B.C. Never had a problem with depth. Mostly what we found is a lot of rocks and very deep anchorages. There are mud and/or sand bottom areas but mostly we like to anchor in 20-30' so draft isn't an issue. I trailered the 27 and had her launched with a travel lift. Most of the ramps I found were too steep to haul 10,000# of boat and trailer up anyway. Unless you find one with a tabernacling mast you will have to have a crane to step it up. There is a nice 27 for sale at Passion Yachts in Portland.
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Re: Catalina wing keel or fin keel?

I don't want to raise a red flag if it's not deserved but does the rudder on the wing keel Catalinas extend deeper than the keel? I recall a friend of mine grounding his C28 and bending the rudder shaft. That would be enough for me to go with the fin keel.

Again, I can't claim to be an expert, maybe some the Catalina owners can add some information here.
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I don't want to raise a red flag if it's not deserved but does the rudder on the wing keel Catalinas extend deeper than the keel? I recall a friend of mine grounding his C28 and bending the rudder shaft. That would be enough for me to go with the fin keel.

Again, I can't claim to be an expert, maybe some the Catalina owners can add some information here.
Looking at some profile drawings it appears that the rudders are as deep, but not deeper, than the shoal keep option, even with a deep keel...


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Re: Catalina wing keel or fin keel?

On my Catalina 30 (1995) the keel is a bit deeper than the rudder - not a lot but it is a bit deeper.
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Re: Catalina wing keel or fin keel?

I wouldnt trade my full keel on my 27 for anything. I can point just about as high as a j105 when my sail trim is dialed in.
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Re: Catalina wing keel or fin keel?

We absolutely love our mid-eighties fin keel tall-rig C27. We found a model with the M-18 diesel and low hours. Definitely want the inboard.

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Re: Catalina wing keel or fin keel?

I think most of the relevant answers posted in this thread. However, no one has yet mentioned the wing keel shoal draft designs usually have a bit more ballast than a fin keel of the same model. I think the wing keel C27 has about 220lbs more ballast than the fin keel. The extra weight is probably negligible unless you're a hardcore racer, in which case you're probably shopping for a fin keel. Ballast and draft differences also mean different centers of gravity, etc, but that's all too much math for my meager cruising sailor's mind.

We recently purchased a wing keel C-34 and are very happy. We don't require a shallow draft, so a wing keel was not a "must have". In fact, I suppose if I had my choice of equal boats, I'd take the fin keel just because. However, overall condition of the boat was our top priority so the keel design didn't really matter. We don't race so I don't really care about a bit of extra speed or marginally better pointing.
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