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Old 09-16-2011
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Originally Posted by Aaln1 View Post
Hi Finnster
Sorry to hear that you have pulled out of the sale, but glad to hear you have kept her on the short list. I agree with you that you have to have complete confidence in your boat in your mind! Still, she is a whole lot of boat for the money. There is a nice one for sale in Brooklyn for major cheap$$ - if you fancy sailing her back across the pond 1982 Dufour 4800 sailboat for sale in New York When I get a bit more experience I'll give it a go! Cheers and all the best Finnster - stay in touch
So do you know anything about that boat? I have seen the ad and am intrigued, though I don't think it is "major cheap$$" as it actually seems a bit high for a standard production boat. As far as I know they are comparable to a Beneteau and the interior looks like it needs work. The only other one I see listed in the US is stored inside and are asking 26,000. Boats in this size, quality and age are not too uncommon, and don't seem to be moving at anywhere near the "asking price."
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Hi Miatapaul
Sorry, I know nothing about that boat except she is very pretty. I dont know where you are located but these boats sell for more in the Uk and more again in mainland Europe. Almost universally, they have had replacement engines. Not sure what the problems were but it seems the original Volvo was not a satisfactory unit. And as we all know the offer price is rarely the price we bid. But she is a well laid out boat for anyone looking for solid construction from that era. She fitted my budget, had new sails, new rigging, new liferaft a reasonably recent engine and everything about her deckgear was good so that is why I bought her....... And she has a good handicap. And now I like floating about in her! Guess that's what it's about for me
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When it comes to pricing, I gotta agree with Aaln1 here. It all depends. I for example am trying to find a long-term boat, and I have a pretty specific list for what I want the boat to be equipped with. Therefore I don't just look at the purchase price, but add to the total cost all the systems which are needed. If those are already in the boat and in good condition, and the boat seems otherwise like it's good enough to be a keeper, I'll be prepared to pay more - even quite a bit over the market price low-mark.

Then again, if you are not that picky about the level of equipment, and are just going to keep the boat for a few years, the purchase price plays a lot bigger role. Horses for courses and so on.

About the pricing in Europe, there are currently a couple of good to very good condition Dufour 4800s for sale in Holland with price tags over 35000 eur, or over 45000 usd. Granted, the boats are in general more expensive here, but Dufour 4800 herself is probably more known and appreciated here, too.

Ps. Aaln1, the trip across the Atlantic to bring a boat is too much for me. I need to find my sea legs in the safety of the Dutch estuaries first
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Keel ... stability

The keel bolts on my 4800 glassed over so there is not much to see at all.
I suppose that you could have them x-rayed .. but I would think that would
be very expensive. I had a direct hit on a rock in the center of the channel
going into Red Brook Harbor on Cape Cod going at about 4 knots. The bow
rose up and one of the crew nearly flew overboard but no structural
problems were encountered. I've been a bit concerned about it but honestly
there is little you can do about the keel bolts without spending thousands.
You could replace them as part of preventive maintenance but that's a lot
of money for something you don't really know is necessary or not.
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And sorry to hear about the grounding, never a pleasant experience. If I were you, I wouldn't worry so much about damaging keel bolts or their attachments, but rather the stresses caused to the hull. And more specifically to the hull around the rear portion of the keel, since that's what usually gives first, when grounding as you described. The good thing is, that's an easier area to examine than keel bolts in Dufour, not necessarily requiring any major invasive work. Take a look if you can see any stress cracks anywhere, or if in slightest doubt of your own abilities, let a pro do it for you. Or maybe you already did, since you said no structural damage was encountered?

Dufours are in my understanding pretty sturdily built, so the odds are nothing will be found, especially if the boat did not come to an abrupt halt. Nevertheless, it's better to be safe than sorry, and checking the hull is definitely worth while doing.


Ps. I was under the impression (could be wrong, too) that 4800s have a thin glass layer covering the keel. Do you know as an owner, if there's such a layer? If there is, I would imagine that might need some looking into, too.
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